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In his 29 years as a PGA Tour caddie, Ted Scott has won four Masters and an Olympic gold – not by having all the answers, but by asking the right questions at the right time.

It’s how Ted guides the #1 player in the world, Scottie Scheffler, without getting in the way of his greatness. It’s his go-to strategy for getting better at anything. And it’s why he’s considered by many to be one of the best caddies to ever pick up a bag.

If you’ve ever struggled with when to speak up and when to stay quiet, or how to guide people without micromanaging them, then this is the conversation you need.

Plus, it’s full of memorable golf stories that you’ve probably never heard before, all told with Ted’s signature wisdom and charm.

You’ll also learn:

The first question Ted asks any golfer he works with (and why it changes everything)
How to disagree with someone without it becoming an argument
A refreshingly simple formula for getting better at anything
The (somewhat) shocking way he helped Scottie win the Olympics

","WEBVTT\n\n1\n00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.130\nHello everyone and welcome to another episode of How Leaders Lead, but David\n\n2\n00:00:04.130 --> 00:00:04.640\nNovak.\n\n3\n00:00:04.640 --> 00:00:06.880\nToday we have Ted Scott on the show.\n\n4\n00:00:06.880 --> 00:00:12.390\nTed is PGA Torcati and currently on the bag for world number one, Scottie Sche\n\n5\n00:00:12.390 --> 00:00:12.880\nffler.\n\n6\n00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:18.160\nIn his 29 years as a PGA Torcati, Ted's won four master's tournaments and an\n\n7\n00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:19.680\nOlympic gold medal.\n\n8\n00:00:19.680 --> 00:00:24.350\nAnd Ted knows that he doesn't always have the right answers, but he asks the\n\n9\n00:00:24.350 --> 00:00:25.280\nright questions\n\n10\n00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:30.030\nat the right time. And it's this strategy that allows him to guide the number\n\n11\n00:00:30.030 --> 00:00:31.040\none player in the\n\n12\n00:00:31.040 --> 00:00:35.920\nworld to greatness without getting in his way. Ted's considered one of the best\n\n13\n00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:36.720\ncaddies to ever\n\n14\n00:00:36.720 --> 00:00:40.850\npick up a bag. And if you've ever struggled with when to speak up and when to\n\n15\n00:00:40.850 --> 00:00:41.520\nstay quiet,\n\n16\n00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.760\nthis episode is going to help you navigate that tension with confidence and\n\n17\n00:00:45.760 --> 00:00:46.320\nclarity.\n\n18\n00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.080\nAnd join this episode with David and Ted and I will see you at the very end of\n\n19\n00:00:50.080 --> 00:00:50.800\nthe show for the\n\n20\n00:00:50.800 --> 00:00:51.360\ndebrief.\n\n21\n00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:04.320\nNow Ted, I've seen these videos on Instagram. Who taught you how to dance?\n\n22\n00:01:04.320 --> 00:01:07.120\nWell, yeah, there we go.\n\n23\n00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:16.830\nYeah, it's just in my blood. My mom, my sister, you know, my dad, they all love\n\n24\n00:01:16.830 --> 00:01:18.320\nto dance and\n\n25\n00:01:18.320 --> 00:01:18.320\nthey're pretty much all clowns. So anytime I get a chance to dance and be an\n\n26\n00:01:18.320 --> 00:01:24.000\nidiot, I'm signed me up.\n\n27\n00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:28.420\nI love your hat. It says believe on it. And I just have to ask it. You know,\n\n28\n00:01:28.420 --> 00:01:28.720\none of my\n\n29\n00:01:28.720 --> 00:01:33.920\nfavorite shows of all time is Ted Lasso. Have you watched Ted Lasso?\n\n30\n00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.830\nI have not seen Ted Lasso. I've heard a lot of people love it, but I haven't\n\n31\n00:01:36.830 --> 00:01:37.200\nseen it.\n\n32\n00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:42.260\nYou got to watch it, but he's got this poster that he puts on in the locker\n\n33\n00:01:42.260 --> 00:01:42.880\nroom that says\n\n34\n00:01:42.880 --> 00:01:48.960\nbelieve on it. And you know, when you think of sports and golf in particular,\n\n35\n00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:50.000\nhow important do you\n\n36\n00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:55.060\nthink the word belief is or belief? Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, what you\n\n37\n00:01:55.060 --> 00:01:55.520\nbelieve you can\n\n38\n00:01:55.520 --> 00:01:58.640\nachieve. You know, we've all heard that saying and it's so true. And you know,\n\n39\n00:01:58.640 --> 00:01:59.360\neverything starts\n\n40\n00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:02.870\nwith the belief. You know, it's like, I think kids grow up thinking, Hey, I\n\n41\n00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:03.840\nthink one day I can\n\n42\n00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.940\nplay on the PGA tour and that, you know, that belief gets them to work that\n\n43\n00:02:06.940 --> 00:02:08.080\nputs the whole\n\n44\n00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.540\nprocess in motion. And then once you get there, you know, you look back and say\n\n45\n00:02:11.540 --> 00:02:12.160\n, man, I've earned\n\n46\n00:02:12.160 --> 00:02:15.470\nthis spot and I believe I can do it. And then you step up and hit those great\n\n47\n00:02:15.470 --> 00:02:16.400\nshots under pressure.\n\n48\n00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.260\nIt's, you know, it starts with a belief for sure. Absolutely. And you know, I\n\n49\n00:02:20.260 --> 00:02:21.040\ngot to ask if this\n\n50\n00:02:21.040 --> 00:02:26.400\nis true. Scotty Scheffler asked you to caddy for him. And the first question\n\n51\n00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:27.200\nthat I understand\n\n52\n00:02:27.200 --> 00:02:33.800\nthat you asked him is that if he liked dad jokes, you know, is that true? 100%\n\n53\n00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:34.480\nman. If you're not\n\n54\n00:02:34.480 --> 00:02:37.390\ngoing to have fun on the golf course, I don't want to be a part of it. And what\n\n55\n00:02:37.390 --> 00:02:38.880\n's your favorite dad\n\n56\n00:02:38.880 --> 00:02:42.670\nto dad joke? Like, I don't have a lot of, you know, good dad jokes. You know, I\n\n57\n00:02:42.670 --> 00:02:43.280\n'm just about\n\n58\n00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:47.630\nI'm not named Jim or Will because everybody wants to hit the gym and fire at\n\n59\n00:02:47.630 --> 00:02:48.880\nWill. So, you know,\n\n60\n00:02:48.880 --> 00:02:52.790\njust, I don't know, stuff like that that I come up with that I hear, but I'm\n\n61\n00:02:52.790 --> 00:02:53.840\njust pass it on.\n\n62\n00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:58.960\nJust dumb stuff. Now here it is. It's master's time. What's it like when you\n\n63\n00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:00.480\nyou drive up Magnolia\n\n64\n00:03:00.480 --> 00:03:06.220\nLane? Yeah, you know, Augusta's a special place. As a kid growing up watching\n\n65\n00:03:06.220 --> 00:03:07.200\ngolf with my dad and\n\n66\n00:03:07.200 --> 00:03:11.420\nmy grandfather, it was always a special tournament. And, you know, the music\n\n67\n00:03:11.420 --> 00:03:12.480\nplays and you hear Jim\n\n68\n00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:15.680\nNance's voice. And, you know, you just think about all the great shots that\n\n69\n00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:16.400\nhave been hitting all\n\n70\n00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.480\nthe greatest players that have been there that have won the tournament. So, you\n\n71\n00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:20.240\nknow, it starts\n\n72\n00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.650\nwith that, that place is a kid in my heart that I just love being there. And\n\n73\n00:03:24.650 --> 00:03:25.680\nthen obviously,\n\n74\n00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:28.880\nyou know, being able to stand with the winner a few times has been, you know,\n\n75\n00:03:28.880 --> 00:03:29.520\nmakes it extra\n\n76\n00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.430\nspecial. But yeah, it's, it's incredible. Everybody that goes there for the\n\n77\n00:03:32.430 --> 00:03:33.360\nfirst time can't believe\n\n78\n00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:38.420\nit, you know, so you get that full experience. You obviously have positive\n\n79\n00:03:38.420 --> 00:03:39.200\nenergy that just\n\n80\n00:03:39.760 --> 00:03:47.120\nexudes, you know, give me a moment on the course when your humor completely\n\n81\n00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:48.000\nchanged the moon\n\n82\n00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.400\nboot of what was going on. Probably one of my favorite memories was Scotty was\n\n83\n00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:53.040\nin contention\n\n84\n00:03:53.040 --> 00:03:57.680\nto win Bay Hill his first time. And if you know about Bay Hill on Sunday, the\n\n85\n00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:58.800\ngolf course almost\n\n86\n00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.590\nbecomes unplayable because the greens get so rock hard. And they put that pin\n\n87\n00:04:02.590 --> 00:04:03.600\nway over on the right\n\n88\n00:04:03.600 --> 00:04:08.660\non 17 and really nobody can hit to it. It's just the greens too firm. So, he\n\n89\n00:04:08.660 --> 00:04:09.600\njust tied the lead\n\n90\n00:04:09.600 --> 00:04:14.800\non 16 on Sunday and we get to the tee on 17. And I said, hey, you see that pin\n\n91\n00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:15.360\nover there on the\n\n92\n00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.150\nright? He said, yeah, I said, that's like Mike Tyson and his heyday. Don't even\n\n93\n00:04:19.150 --> 00:04:19.920\nlook at it.\n\n94\n00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.050\nSo, you know, I think that was a moment where I was proud of myself because I\n\n95\n00:04:24.050 --> 00:04:24.880\nmade what I thought\n\n96\n00:04:24.880 --> 00:04:28.630\nwas a really funny joke and also helped him to relax. But also, hey, let's hit\n\n97\n00:04:28.630 --> 00:04:29.280\nthe ball over\n\n98\n00:04:29.280 --> 00:04:33.160\nhere. And he did and he two putted from about 50 feet and got his three and ran\n\n99\n00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:33.840\nas fast as we\n\n100\n00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:38.490\ncould to the next tee. Great. You know, and I also learned in my research that\n\n101\n00:04:38.490 --> 00:04:39.520\nbefore you even\n\n102\n00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:44.400\ngot the job working with Scotty, you challenged him about the demeanor he had\n\n103\n00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:44.880\non the course.\n\n104\n00:04:44.880 --> 00:04:50.240\nTell us that story. Yeah, you know, we had met Scotty because Bubba asked him\n\n105\n00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:50.960\nto be his partner\n\n106\n00:04:50.960 --> 00:04:54.300\nto serve at Classic. So, that was the only time that I spent around him. And\n\n107\n00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:54.880\nobviously,\n\n108\n00:04:54.880 --> 00:04:58.610\nhe was a really sweet guy, a great, you know, great player. But he was, you\n\n109\n00:04:58.610 --> 00:04:59.520\nknow, a little too\n\n110\n00:04:59.520 --> 00:05:02.680\nintense, I think, on the course. So, when he asked me to work for him, you know\n\n111\n00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:03.760\n, I was actually\n\n112\n00:05:03.760 --> 00:05:07.310\ntrying to retire from Caddy and after 22 years and I was just going to go\n\n113\n00:05:07.310 --> 00:05:08.480\nteaching golf and doing\n\n114\n00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:12.080\nsome ministry stuff. And when he asked me to Caddy for him, I just thought, you\n\n115\n00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:12.560\nknow, do I really\n\n116\n00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:16.090\nwant to spend time with somebody that's not enjoying themselves out there? And,\n\n117\n00:05:16.090 --> 00:05:16.640\nyou know,\n\n118\n00:05:16.640 --> 00:05:19.290\nthat was what I challenged him. I just said, look, if you're not going to, you\n\n119\n00:05:19.290 --> 00:05:20.000\nknow, have a good\n\n120\n00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.010\nattitude and enjoy yourself, I don't really want to take this job because I don\n\n121\n00:05:23.010 --> 00:05:23.840\n't need to take this\n\n122\n00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:27.050\njob. But if you're willing to work on that, not perfection, if you're willing\n\n123\n00:05:27.050 --> 00:05:27.920\nto work on that,\n\n124\n00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.110\nI'm in, you know. And so, you said, you're right, man, I've kind of had a\n\n125\n00:05:31.110 --> 00:05:32.080\ncrappy attitude and I'll\n\n126\n00:05:32.080 --> 00:05:36.130\nwork on it. So, it's been a lot of fun. Oh, that's great. You know, and, you\n\n127\n00:05:36.130 --> 00:05:37.520\nknow, having been in a\n\n128\n00:05:37.520 --> 00:05:43.670\nsupport role alongside such a elite talent, what can business leaders learn\n\n129\n00:05:43.670 --> 00:05:44.960\nabout what it takes to\n\n130\n00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:50.030\npush people to a higher level of performance when they're obviously already\n\n131\n00:05:50.030 --> 00:05:50.720\ngreat?\n\n132\n00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.730\nYeah, you know, I would say learning from people like Bubba and Scotty, you\n\n133\n00:05:55.730 --> 00:05:56.240\nknow, they're just,\n\n134\n00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:00.550\nthey're very driven to get better and they love a challenge. I think that's how\n\n135\n00:06:00.550 --> 00:06:01.360\nyou become great\n\n136\n00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:05.520\nis you have to embrace challenge. You know, if you want to work out and get the\n\n137\n00:06:05.520 --> 00:06:06.480\nbeach body,\n\n138\n00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.430\nyou can't just show up and bench press the bar if the bar doesn't challenge you\n\n139\n00:06:09.430 --> 00:06:10.080\n, right? You got\n\n140\n00:06:10.080 --> 00:06:12.990\nto put enough weights on there to where it's challenging and that's what makes\n\n141\n00:06:12.990 --> 00:06:14.080\nyou grow. So,\n\n142\n00:06:14.080 --> 00:06:17.920\nyou know, really, the sweet spot of life is to challenge yourself daily,\n\n143\n00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.520\ntry to get better mentally, physically, spiritually. And I think that's what\n\n144\n00:06:21.520 --> 00:06:22.400\nthese guys do a really\n\n145\n00:06:22.400 --> 00:06:27.050\ngood job of. As a caddy, we feel all kinds of gaps, encourage your psychologist\n\n146\n00:06:27.050 --> 00:06:27.920\n, swing coach,\n\n147\n00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:33.070\nyou know, putting guru, sometimes you try to just basically make the car go\n\n148\n00:06:33.070 --> 00:06:34.160\nfaster and\n\n149\n00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.470\nsometimes you see the left tires low and sometimes the check engine lights on.\n\n150\n00:06:37.470 --> 00:06:37.680\nAnd so,\n\n151\n00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.140\nwe're always just trying to help monitor, you know, something that could be\n\n152\n00:06:41.140 --> 00:06:42.080\nslowing down and just\n\n153\n00:06:42.080 --> 00:06:46.750\ntry to push them in that area. But ultimately, I try to say as little and do as\n\n154\n00:06:46.750 --> 00:06:47.680\nlittle as I can\n\n155\n00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.890\nbecause, you know, he's the one that's great at what he does. And I try to\n\n156\n00:06:50.890 --> 00:06:51.760\nreally just stay out\n\n157\n00:06:51.760 --> 00:06:55.330\nof his way and help him create the belief that he's, you know, he's in it and\n\n158\n00:06:55.330 --> 00:06:56.240\nhe can do it.\n\n159\n00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.990\nSo that's kind of my main role as a caddy. What other traits do you think\n\n160\n00:06:59.990 --> 00:07:01.280\nleaders can learn from\n\n161\n00:07:01.280 --> 00:07:06.720\nelite caddies like yourself? In any profession, you know, if you're still, if\n\n162\n00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:07.360\nyou're just kind of\n\n163\n00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:09.810\nlike, okay, I'm working for Scotty Shepler. He's the best cat. He's the best\n\n164\n00:07:09.810 --> 00:07:11.040\nplayer in the world.\n\n165\n00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.060\nYou know, I'm good doing what I'm doing. You know, you're not really going to\n\n166\n00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:16.240\nget better. And so,\n\n167\n00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.800\nI think as a leader, anybody that's leading a company or whatever, they're\n\n168\n00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:20.320\ninnovators,\n\n169\n00:07:20.320 --> 00:07:24.720\nthey're always trying to improve and find ways to get better. And sometimes to\n\n170\n00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:25.280\ntheir detriment,\n\n171\n00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:27.960\nwe've seen great golfers that have actually tried to get better and they've\n\n172\n00:07:27.960 --> 00:07:28.960\nactually gotten worse.\n\n173\n00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.360\nBut most of the time when you're an innovator, you're trying to get better. And\n\n174\n00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:34.320\nfor my personal\n\n175\n00:07:34.320 --> 00:07:37.600\nexperience, the way that I've always tried to get better at anything is to\n\n176\n00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:38.720\nnever be the expert in\n\n177\n00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.660\nthe room. I'm always trying to be the guy that doesn't know anything in the\n\n178\n00:07:41.660 --> 00:07:42.480\nroom full of people\n\n179\n00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.780\nthat do. And that way, I can ask great questions and get great answers and\n\n180\n00:07:45.780 --> 00:07:47.040\nlearning grow. If I'm\n\n181\n00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.500\nthe expert in the room that I'm doing the teaching, if I'm not the expert in\n\n182\n00:07:50.500 --> 00:07:50.960\nthe room,\n\n183\n00:07:50.960 --> 00:07:54.640\nthen I have a chance to really learn something and grow. So I'm always asking\n\n184\n00:07:54.640 --> 00:07:55.600\nother athletes and\n\n185\n00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.590\nbusinessmen and people and other great caddies and coaches, hey, what are you\n\n186\n00:07:58.590 --> 00:07:59.280\nthinking about?\n\n187\n00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:02.560\nHow are you approaching this? What do you do? So I think as a leader, that's\n\n188\n00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:02.960\nprobably the\n\n189\n00:08:02.960 --> 00:08:06.110\ngreatest thing we can do is just never stop learning because the people that\n\n190\n00:08:06.110 --> 00:08:06.960\nare following you,\n\n191\n00:08:06.960 --> 00:08:09.950\nyou have influence over them. So if you're learning and growing and they're\n\n192\n00:08:09.950 --> 00:08:10.800\ngoing to come along with\n\n193\n00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.680\nyou, they're going to learn and grow too by just being at your side.\n\n194\n00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.080\nYou know, when you're at the top of your profession like you are, I'm sure\n\n195\n00:08:18.080 --> 00:08:19.040\nother caddies\n\n196\n00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:24.100\nlook up to you and want to learn from you as well. What do you see as your\n\n197\n00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:25.360\nobligation as a leader\n\n198\n00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.720\nin your field to help others that want to come up?\n\n199\n00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.840\nYeah, I love helping people. It's one of my favorite things to do and it's\n\n200\n00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:32.160\nreally\n\n201\n00:08:32.160 --> 00:08:35.760\nwhy I was kind of retiring from caddying because I just had a lot of people\n\n202\n00:08:35.760 --> 00:08:36.560\nthat were requesting\n\n203\n00:08:36.560 --> 00:08:41.230\nme to try to help them with their golf game. And also, you know, I'm kind of a\n\n204\n00:08:41.230 --> 00:08:41.680\nlittle bit of a\n\n205\n00:08:41.680 --> 00:08:45.000\nminister in a way. I've ministered to a lot of people in their life and try to\n\n206\n00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:45.520\nhelp them\n\n207\n00:08:45.520 --> 00:08:48.800\nbecause I've had a lot of troubles and strife in my life. So I try to take\n\n208\n00:08:48.800 --> 00:08:49.760\nthose lessons\n\n209\n00:08:49.760 --> 00:08:54.240\nand pay it forward. You know, I'm 52 years old now. I got some wisdom behind me\n\n210\n00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:54.240\n.\n\n211\n00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.880\nAnd, you know, there's definitely something that I enjoy. I would love as much\n\n212\n00:08:58.880 --> 00:08:59.520\nas I was hungry to\n\n213\n00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:02.980\nlearn as a young man, I would love someone like myself who's 30 years ahead of\n\n214\n00:09:02.980 --> 00:09:03.760\nthe game and say,\n\n215\n00:09:03.760 --> 00:09:06.400\n\"Hey, man, I'll sit down with you, go to lunch and tell you everything I know\n\n216\n00:09:06.400 --> 00:09:07.200\nabout this subject.\"\n\n217\n00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:10.660\nAnd then really, man, that'd be cool. So, you know, it's fun for me to pass\n\n218\n00:09:10.660 --> 00:09:11.360\nalong those same\n\n219\n00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.440\nlessons that great people have passed to me.\n\n220\n00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:21.200\nYou've been carrying the bag, I think, for 26 years. It's a 45-pound bag.\n\n221\n00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:26.110\nI mean, you know, what? Do you have to do anything additional to stay in shape\n\n222\n00:09:26.110 --> 00:09:27.360\nto be able to handle\n\n223\n00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.840\nthat girl or just come with your natural athletic body?\n\n224\n00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:37.110\nI don't know. My mom has been into natural health for 40 years. So she kind of\n\n225\n00:09:37.110 --> 00:09:37.760\ninstilled that\n\n226\n00:09:37.760 --> 00:09:42.900\nhealthy lifestyle for us as kids. I try to eat pretty healthy, get sleep, you\n\n227\n00:09:42.900 --> 00:09:43.440\nknow,\n\n228\n00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:47.200\ndon't partake in things that are harmful to my body. So main part is trying to\n\n229\n00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:48.080\ntake care of myself.\n\n230\n00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:51.730\nAnd probably the number one thing is just to keep stress low. But ultimately, I\n\n231\n00:09:51.730 --> 00:09:52.080\nmean,\n\n232\n00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.990\nI wouldn't say caddy and keep you in shape. I mean, there's people that caddy\n\n233\n00:09:54.990 --> 00:09:55.600\nthat are\n\n234\n00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.950\nthat are not in shape, that are overweight and things like that. I'm just\n\n235\n00:09:58.950 --> 00:09:59.840\ngenetically\n\n236\n00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:04.900\nnot overweight. You know, I think it's not because I'm trying to be skinnier,\n\n237\n00:10:04.900 --> 00:10:04.960\nthinner,\n\n238\n00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.640\nbecause I walk 12 miles. I think it's just genetically the way that I'm built.\n\n239\n00:10:08.640 --> 00:10:09.680\nBut ultimately,\n\n240\n00:10:09.680 --> 00:10:14.010\nyou know, I'm trying to just take care of myself and live a happy, healthy life\n\n241\n00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:14.320\n.\n\n242\n00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:19.280\nYou know, you did this YouTube video with Grant Horvat recently. And\n\n243\n00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:24.560\nI think it's basically was the purpose to see what kind of added value a\n\n244\n00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:25.760\nprofessional caddy like\n\n245\n00:10:25.760 --> 00:10:30.820\nyou could bring to a, you know, to a great amateur golfer. And I was really\n\n246\n00:10:30.820 --> 00:10:32.320\nintrigued by this question\n\n247\n00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:37.380\nthat you asked, which is the first question you asked was, how do you like to\n\n248\n00:10:37.380 --> 00:10:38.320\nreceive information?\n\n249\n00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:41.600\nWell, first of all, I want to know a little bit about how do you like to\n\n250\n00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:42.560\nreceive information?\n\n251\n00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.400\nSo I've had some bosses that are like, don't tell me where not to hit it. Don't\n\n252\n00:10:46.400 --> 00:10:46.960\ndiscuss the\n\n253\n00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.560\nbad. Only tell me your target. Give me everything today. Then I have a new boss\n\n254\n00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:51.280\nthat literally,\n\n255\n00:10:51.280 --> 00:10:53.890\nyou can tell him anything and he's tough enough to handle it. So where do you\n\n256\n00:10:53.890 --> 00:10:55.360\nfall in that category?\n\n257\n00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:59.670\nI know you're talking about. Okay. Where'd you learn that approach? You know,\n\n258\n00:10:59.670 --> 00:11:00.800\ncommunication in any\n\n259\n00:11:00.800 --> 00:11:04.490\nrelationship is so important, right? So when I worked for Bubba, sometimes the\n\n260\n00:11:04.490 --> 00:11:05.280\nmore I would say\n\n261\n00:11:05.280 --> 00:11:08.810\nthe worse he would get. And that's because the more complicated it seemed in\n\n262\n00:11:08.810 --> 00:11:09.680\nhis head, the more\n\n263\n00:11:09.680 --> 00:11:14.320\nfearful he became in his swing. Whereas Scotty is more, hey, you know, what's\n\n264\n00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:15.040\nit over there? Is that\n\n265\n00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:18.900\nbunker okay? Is long bad here? Is this okay? So he kind of wants all the\n\n266\n00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:20.080\ninformation and he's not\n\n267\n00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.540\nafraid of it and it doesn't make him scared. So, you know, you just learn from\n\n268\n00:11:23.540 --> 00:11:24.400\nexperience that,\n\n269\n00:11:24.400 --> 00:11:28.260\nhey, not everybody wants to know that left is dead here. You know, if I said to\n\n270\n00:11:28.260 --> 00:11:28.960\nBubba, hey,\n\n271\n00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.610\njust do not go left here. He'll hit it 80 yards to the right. But if I tell\n\n272\n00:11:33.610 --> 00:11:34.720\nScotty, don't go left,\n\n273\n00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:38.180\nhe'll maybe ship this target a few yards and still make a great swing. And they\n\n274\n00:11:38.180 --> 00:11:39.040\n're both great players\n\n275\n00:11:39.040 --> 00:11:44.180\nwith great success. But the way that information comes across to them can\n\n276\n00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:46.000\ncreate a way of hitting\n\n277\n00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.860\na golf ball that's good or bad. So, you know, I was trying to get that feel for\n\n278\n00:11:49.860 --> 00:11:50.800\ntrying to help\n\n279\n00:11:50.800 --> 00:11:54.040\nsomebody like, how do you process information? Are you simple? Are you\n\n280\n00:11:54.040 --> 00:11:55.360\ncomplicated? Does this make\n\n281\n00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.050\nyou worried? You know, can you handle pressure? Do you try to take pressure off\n\n282\n00:11:59.050 --> 00:11:59.760\n? You know, I think\n\n283\n00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:03.490\nthat girl that just won the Olympics and figure skating, she was saying like, I\n\n284\n00:12:03.490 --> 00:12:04.000\ndon't really care\n\n285\n00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.460\nif I win a medal. And some people do really well with that. You know, Scotty\n\n286\n00:12:07.460 --> 00:12:08.480\nScheffler wants to\n\n287\n00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:13.540\nwin everything and he sees things different. So, that communication is very\n\n288\n00:12:13.540 --> 00:12:13.600\nimportant,\n\n289\n00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.000\nyou know, to any relationship. You know, you're very good at, you know, framing\n\n290\n00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:18.720\nthings with either\n\n291\n00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:23.560\nstories or jokes or just even that question you just asked of how do you, how\n\n292\n00:12:23.560 --> 00:12:23.680\ndo you like to\n\n293\n00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:28.750\nreceive information? You know, how did you pick up this communication skill? I\n\n294\n00:12:28.750 --> 00:12:29.840\nthink just practice,\n\n295\n00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.850\nyou know, dealing with people. I love people. I love being around people. I get\n\n296\n00:12:33.850 --> 00:12:34.640\nenergized in\n\n297\n00:12:34.640 --> 00:12:39.920\na crowd. And man, I bet I bet it was, I was think I was 19 was the first time I\n\n298\n00:12:39.920 --> 00:12:40.720\nspoke in front of\n\n299\n00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.870\npeople. And, you know, like a lot of people I spoke of in the front of a group\n\n300\n00:12:43.870 --> 00:12:44.800\nof about 1,000\n\n301\n00:12:44.800 --> 00:12:49.470\npeople in a, in a meeting one time. And I loved it. And I just, you know,\n\n302\n00:12:49.470 --> 00:12:50.480\nstarted studying people\n\n303\n00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.760\nthat speak and how they communicate. And for me, I relate really well to\n\n304\n00:12:53.760 --> 00:12:54.560\nstories. You know,\n\n305\n00:12:54.560 --> 00:12:58.080\nsomebody gets up and they just give me a bunch of boring information with no\n\n306\n00:12:58.080 --> 00:12:59.040\nstory to it. And I\n\n307\n00:12:59.040 --> 00:13:02.970\ncan fall asleep. But if you engage with stories or jokes or kind of keep, you\n\n308\n00:13:02.970 --> 00:13:04.560\nknow, keep it light,\n\n309\n00:13:04.560 --> 00:13:08.240\nthen I'm very, you know, quick to learn and enjoy it. So that's how I try to\n\n310\n00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:09.680\nshare my information\n\n311\n00:13:09.680 --> 00:13:12.100\nwith people. And that, you know, that's why, like I said, we're going to be out\n\n312\n00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:12.800\nthere for five\n\n313\n00:13:12.800 --> 00:13:15.710\nhours. Dude, I'm going to joke around, have some fun. I don't want to be out\n\n314\n00:13:15.710 --> 00:13:16.400\nthere and just be\n\n315\n00:13:16.400 --> 00:13:19.590\nstoic and serious for five hours. That's not my personality. And I don't want\n\n316\n00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:20.720\nsomebody to suppress\n\n317\n00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.760\nthe way that I feel like being. And there are great players that do that. But I\n\n318\n00:13:23.760 --> 00:13:24.400\ndon't want to be a\n\n319\n00:13:24.400 --> 00:13:29.280\npart of that time of a team. You know, it's not me. What's your favorite story\n\n320\n00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:30.240\nthat you used to,\n\n321\n00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:35.520\nto make a leadership point that you think is really important? When I was 19\n\n322\n00:13:35.520 --> 00:13:36.000\nyears old,\n\n323\n00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.030\nI met a kid that was 18 years old. His dad was the vice president of sales for\n\n324\n00:13:40.030 --> 00:13:41.280\nJohnson and Johnson.\n\n325\n00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:46.760\nAnd he was a professional model. He was like a stud athlete. He was a stud\n\n326\n00:13:46.760 --> 00:13:48.160\nstudent. He walked\n\n327\n00:13:48.160 --> 00:13:51.740\naround with like $5,000 cash in his pocket. And I thought, oh, he's daddy's\n\n328\n00:13:51.740 --> 00:13:52.640\nlittle rich kid. You\n\n329\n00:13:52.640 --> 00:13:55.220\nknow, when I met him, it turns out he had earned it himself. And I was just\n\n330\n00:13:55.220 --> 00:13:56.240\nlike, who is this guy?\n\n331\n00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.600\nAnd he was just so good at everything. And I remember asking him a question,\n\n332\n00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:00.000\nyou know,\n\n333\n00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.680\njust about how he got to be so good. And this was what he told me. And I've\n\n334\n00:14:03.680 --> 00:14:04.400\nreally tried to live\n\n335\n00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:08.740\nmy life based on this statement. He said, Ted, every man is superior to me in\n\n336\n00:14:08.740 --> 00:14:09.920\nsome way. Therefore,\n\n337\n00:14:09.920 --> 00:14:13.210\nI can learn from him. He said, even, you know, Obama, the street has something\n\n338\n00:14:13.210 --> 00:14:13.920\nto teach me.\n\n339\n00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:17.840\nSo he never approached any other person thinking, well, I'm better than him.\n\n340\n00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:18.720\nThat guy can't teach\n\n341\n00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:23.380\nme anything always with humility, always with eagerness to possibly learn. And\n\n342\n00:14:23.380 --> 00:14:23.840\nso, you know,\n\n343\n00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.340\nthat just really showed me like, man, if you really want to get good at\n\n344\n00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:26.960\nsomething,\n\n345\n00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.640\nhumble yourself, don't be afraid to ask a question. Don't be afraid to not be\n\n346\n00:14:30.640 --> 00:14:31.760\nthe expert in the room.\n\n347\n00:14:31.760 --> 00:14:34.960\nDon't be afraid to get embarrassed, you know, because that's how you learn.\n\n348\n00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:35.600\nThat's how you get\n\n349\n00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.460\ngood at anything. You know, if you want to win a major championship, there's a\n\n350\n00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:40.080\nrisk that you\n\n351\n00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.990\ncould be embarrassed. You could miss a four footer, hit it out of bounds, you\n\n352\n00:14:42.990 --> 00:14:44.240\nknow, make a bad swing\n\n353\n00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.880\nand lose it all. But in order to have that opportunity, you got to be willing\n\n354\n00:14:47.880 --> 00:14:48.560\nto take that\n\n355\n00:14:48.560 --> 00:14:52.750\nchance and learn and grow. And so, you know, that mindset that Ryan Smith\n\n356\n00:14:52.750 --> 00:14:54.320\nshowed me at a young age\n\n357\n00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.210\nreally kind of helped me to go forward in my life and pursue excellence and\n\n358\n00:14:58.210 --> 00:14:58.800\nwhatever,\n\n359\n00:14:58.800 --> 00:15:02.720\nby just asking great people, you know, questions like, hey, man, can you help\n\n360\n00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:03.440\nme with this? And\n\n361\n00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.500\nthat's how that's how I got into Caddy. And that's how I've done everything in\n\n362\n00:15:06.500 --> 00:15:07.200\nmy life, you know,\n\n363\n00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.660\njust asking people that are better than me at what they're doing, man. Can you\n\n364\n00:15:10.660 --> 00:15:11.200\nhelp me?\n\n365\n00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:18.060\nYou know, I had the opportunity to play with Bubba Watson once. And he told me\n\n366\n00:15:18.060 --> 00:15:18.400\nhe never\n\n367\n00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:23.870\never hits a straight golf shot. He said he either wants to cut it or he wants\n\n368\n00:15:23.870 --> 00:15:25.280\nto draw it, but he always\n\n369\n00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:30.360\nwould paint this picture. And, you know, I saw this interview with you once. I\n\n370\n00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:31.600\nthink it was on 60\n\n371\n00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:36.660\nminutes, actually, where you describe Bubba Watson as a as a savant, you know,\n\n372\n00:15:36.660 --> 00:15:37.840\nwhen you have a mind\n\n373\n00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:45.800\nlike that, okay, and an ability like he had, you know, how did you help him,\n\n374\n00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:47.120\nyou know, control his\n\n375\n00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.020\nor not control, but unleash the obvious talent that he had when you've got a sa\n\n376\n00:15:51.020 --> 00:15:52.000\nvant like that.\n\n377\n00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:57.140\nYeah, I mean, I catted on the PGA Tour for over 10 years. I think it was my 11\n\n378\n00:15:57.140 --> 00:15:58.080\nth season\n\n379\n00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:01.760\nbefore we finally won a tournament. So it wasn't like I had this secret. And I\n\n380\n00:16:01.760 --> 00:16:02.640\nthink Bubba played\n\n381\n00:16:02.640 --> 00:16:06.200\nthe Cornfairy Tour for three years. And it wasn't until his fourth year, I\n\n382\n00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:07.520\nthink he played the Cornfairy\n\n383\n00:16:07.520 --> 00:16:11.040\nTour for three years. And then in his fourth year, he got on the PGA Tour and\n\n384\n00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:11.840\nhe played the PGA Tour\n\n385\n00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:16.910\nfor four years before he won. So he played a long time with the drought. So for\n\n386\n00:16:16.910 --> 00:16:17.840\nme, the first four\n\n387\n00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.860\nyears working for him, Bubba wasn't a big communicator. You know, he didn't\n\n388\n00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:23.200\nreally tell me much. He didn't\n\n389\n00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:27.110\nlike me to say too much. So I had to do a lot of observation, like, what is he\n\n390\n00:16:27.110 --> 00:16:28.560\nlike? And then I\n\n391\n00:16:28.560 --> 00:16:32.220\nstarted trying to use his language. So it's almost like, if you go to Mexico,\n\n392\n00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:33.120\nyou learn to speak\n\n393\n00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.690\nSpanish. So you can communicate with the people. So Bubba would say, man, I\n\n394\n00:16:36.690 --> 00:16:37.600\nlike a big old cut\n\n395\n00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.730\neight iron here. Well, I would learn to say like, man, I like a big old cut\n\n396\n00:16:40.730 --> 00:16:41.840\neight iron here. That's\n\n397\n00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.800\nnot how I would say it. But that's how he says it. And that's his love language\n\n398\n00:16:44.800 --> 00:16:45.680\n. So I'm going to say\n\n399\n00:16:45.680 --> 00:16:48.790\nit the way he says it. And you kind of started to learn. So that was how I\n\n400\n00:16:48.790 --> 00:16:49.760\nstarted to help him,\n\n401\n00:16:49.760 --> 00:16:54.430\nwhich is trying to communicate in his language. And then ironically, the exact\n\n402\n00:16:54.430 --> 00:16:55.120\nsame way that he\n\n403\n00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.550\nbecame a great player was the same speech that I gave to Scotty about his, his,\n\n404\n00:16:59.550 --> 00:17:00.800\nyou know, attitude\n\n405\n00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:03.880\non the golf course, like, Hey, man, you're acting like an idiot out there and\n\n406\n00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:04.240\nyou're\n\n407\n00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:08.550\ncosting yourself shots. You know, if you if you continue there, I don't want to\n\n408\n00:17:08.550 --> 00:17:09.600\ndo this anymore.\n\n409\n00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:12.600\nThat's what I told Bubba. And the very next week after I had that speech\n\n410\n00:17:12.600 --> 00:17:13.520\nthinking he was going to\n\n411\n00:17:13.520 --> 00:17:16.740\nfire me after I said that to him. And he said, you're right. I'm sorry. I work\n\n412\n00:17:16.740 --> 00:17:17.680\non it. And the very\n\n413\n00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.880\nnext week he won his first tournament on the PGA tour. So, you know, we all\n\n414\n00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:21.680\nneed someone in our\n\n415\n00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:25.800\nlife to speak truth, to speak life, to hold us accountable. And we're not\n\n416\n00:17:25.800 --> 00:17:27.600\nbehaving properly. And\n\n417\n00:17:27.600 --> 00:17:30.780\nI need those people in my life. And I have those people in my life. So I think,\n\n418\n00:17:30.780 --> 00:17:31.680\nyou know, the challenge\n\n419\n00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.600\nfor us to get better, if we have another man or woman that challenges us, that\n\n420\n00:17:35.600 --> 00:17:36.800\ncan really catapult\n\n421\n00:17:36.800 --> 00:17:40.460\nus to to the next level. And I think that one conversation with Bubba really\n\n422\n00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:41.440\nhelped him a lot,\n\n423\n00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.550\nbecause in the next tournament that he won, he was in the middle of the\n\n424\n00:17:44.550 --> 00:17:45.600\ntournament, he started\n\n425\n00:17:45.600 --> 00:17:48.140\nacting that way again. And I said to him, Hey, the clubhouse is right there. I\n\n426\n00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:49.040\nwill walk in. Like,\n\n427\n00:17:49.040 --> 00:17:51.990\nI don't, I'm done. Like, you better stop. And he said, you're right. And then\n\n428\n00:17:51.990 --> 00:17:52.640\nhe won his first\n\n429\n00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.750\ntournament and went on to have a great career. So, you know, just just that\n\n430\n00:17:55.750 --> 00:17:57.280\nlittle change in mindset,\n\n431\n00:17:57.280 --> 00:18:00.720\nchanged the whole outcome of how he played. So pretty cool story.\n\n432\n00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:05.840\nWhat would you say is Scottie Scheffler's love language?\n\n433\n00:18:05.840 --> 00:18:11.140\nHard work, man. The guy, you know, he thrives to work hard and he's really\n\n434\n00:18:11.140 --> 00:18:12.880\nsmart. He's so smart.\n\n435\n00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.950\nSo I think it's super easy to communicate with him, you know. And if he doesn't\n\n436\n00:18:17.950 --> 00:18:18.320\nunderstand,\n\n437\n00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:22.400\nhe's not embarrassed, you know, he's very comfortable man in his own skin. So\n\n438\n00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:22.640\nlike,\n\n439\n00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.760\nif you say something that he doesn't understand, even if he doesn't know what a\n\n440\n00:18:25.760 --> 00:18:26.160\nword means,\n\n441\n00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.460\nand say, what's that word mean? Like he's not, he's so humble and so easy to\n\n442\n00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:30.480\ntalk to. So\n\n443\n00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.940\ncommunication is his strength. It's super, you know, super fun to talk to him\n\n444\n00:18:33.940 --> 00:18:34.960\non the course and\n\n445\n00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:39.920\nand decipher strategy. But he really, he gets a lot of confidence if he knows\n\n446\n00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:40.560\nyou're working hard,\n\n447\n00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:44.020\nbecause he's working hard. So if he's like, Hey, my, my team is prepared for\n\n448\n00:18:44.020 --> 00:18:44.960\nthis. That gives him a\n\n449\n00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:49.410\nlot of confidence to do well. Now you won two master's tournaments with Bubba\n\n450\n00:18:49.410 --> 00:18:50.800\nand two with Scottie.\n\n451\n00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:56.880\nWhat's your favorite master's moment and why? Oh, man, favorite master's moment\n\n452\n00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:56.880\n.\n\n453\n00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:04.050\nGosh, that's a tough one. Um, I don't know. I think, I think the, the town that\n\n454\n00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:04.800\nBubba had was,\n\n455\n00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:08.700\nwas amazing. But I think I enjoyed Scottie's first win more just because the\n\n456\n00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:08.960\nguy,\n\n457\n00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.820\nhe just worked so hard, man. And he's been doing that since he was seven. You\n\n458\n00:19:12.820 --> 00:19:12.960\nknow,\n\n459\n00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.640\nI heard as a kid, he wore pants, the golf course and was saying I'm going to be\n\n460\n00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:17.600\non the PGA tour.\n\n461\n00:19:17.600 --> 00:19:22.240\nAnd, you know, he just, like, you know, being honest, he'll cry at times when\n\n462\n00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:23.200\nhe doesn't play well,\n\n463\n00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.210\nhe gets so upset, you know, and so to see him have that success and to be able\n\n464\n00:19:27.210 --> 00:19:27.760\nto help him\n\n465\n00:19:27.760 --> 00:19:30.980\naround there was just an absolute joy. It was just, it was a lot of fun. And\n\n466\n00:19:30.980 --> 00:19:32.080\nthen, uh, and then the\n\n467\n00:19:32.080 --> 00:19:37.150\nconversation on the 18th hole was quite hilarious. You know, the first putty\n\n468\n00:19:37.150 --> 00:19:38.880\nhad was, um, was quite\n\n469\n00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:43.190\nfunny, right? You know, he had that downhill putt from the top shelf and putted\n\n470\n00:19:43.190 --> 00:19:43.920\nit past the hole,\n\n471\n00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.590\nand he said, Hey, man, sorry, I was trying to make that, you know, and I'm like\n\n472\n00:19:46.590 --> 00:19:47.040\n, okay.\n\n473\n00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:49.980\nAnd then he putted the next one, like four feet by and I was like, okay. And\n\n474\n00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:50.240\nthen he\n\n475\n00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.510\nputted the next one, three feet by and I'm like, all right, I need to go talk\n\n476\n00:19:52.510 --> 00:19:53.200\nto him and say, Hey,\n\n477\n00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.480\ndude, are you okay here? And he's like, I'll make this one. I'm like, you sure?\n\n478\n00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:57.040\nIf not,\n\n479\n00:19:57.040 --> 00:19:59.940\nlet's get it close. Like, you know, we don't have too many more of these shots\n\n480\n00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:00.400\nto play with.\n\n481\n00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.820\nSo that was kind of a funny moment. But, um, but I actually distracted him on\n\n482\n00:20:04.820 --> 00:20:06.080\nthat hole. I,\n\n483\n00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:10.240\nI heard a caddy one time say they were walking up the 18th at Augusta and they\n\n484\n00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:10.720\nwere winning the\n\n485\n00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.180\ntournament. And he said, I turned to my pro and I said, Hey, walk slow and look\n\n486\n00:20:14.180 --> 00:20:14.800\naround and take\n\n487\n00:20:14.800 --> 00:20:18.530\nit all in. And so before Scottie hit his first putt, I was like, Hey, take it\n\n488\n00:20:18.530 --> 00:20:19.520\nall in, buddy.\n\n489\n00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:23.430\nWell, we took it all in four times on that hole on the, on the green. He's like\n\n490\n00:20:23.430 --> 00:20:24.080\n, never tell me\n\n491\n00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:29.520\nthat again. I was like, I got it. But it jacked him all up, distracted him.\n\n492\n00:20:29.520 --> 00:20:33.860\nWhat's a master story that's important to you that you don't usually share\n\n493\n00:20:33.860 --> 00:20:34.480\npublicly?\n\n494\n00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.080\nYou know, maybe I don't know if it's important, but one of the fun things, uh,\n\n495\n00:20:38.080 --> 00:20:42.730\nBubba was a lot of fun. And, um, so we were watching, we were watching the LPGA\n\n496\n00:20:42.730 --> 00:20:43.200\nmajor that,\n\n497\n00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:48.430\nthat comes on Sunday before the masters in 2012. And one of our friends was c\n\n498\n00:20:48.430 --> 00:20:49.120\naddying for a girl\n\n499\n00:20:49.120 --> 00:20:52.690\nthat unfortunately ended up missing literally like a two foot putt on the last\n\n500\n00:20:52.690 --> 00:20:53.280\nhole to win.\n\n501\n00:20:53.280 --> 00:20:56.960\nAnd she got into a playoff, but right after the coverage on Sunday before the\n\n502\n00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:57.840\n12 masters,\n\n503\n00:20:57.840 --> 00:21:03.280\nESPN came on and did a sports science about hole 12. And they talked about how\n\n504\n00:21:03.280 --> 00:21:03.920\nthe winds come\n\n505\n00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.520\ndown through the different holes in this big open area and it creates a swirl.\n\n506\n00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:08.480\nAnd so they\n\n507\n00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.430\nexplained this whole process and why it's so difficult to judge the wind and\n\n508\n00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:12.080\nhow it affects\n\n509\n00:21:12.080 --> 00:21:17.200\nthe golf ball. And then at the very end, they said, it's called the eddy effect\n\n510\n00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.480\n. Okay. And I was like,\n\n511\n00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.870\nOh my gosh. So I turned above and I said, Hey, this week when we get to 12, don\n\n512\n00:21:22.870 --> 00:21:24.240\n't blame Teddy,\n\n513\n00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:29.040\nblame Eddie. You know, and so that was kind of a fun, a fun story for me. You\n\n514\n00:21:29.040 --> 00:21:29.600\nknow, just having\n\n515\n00:21:29.600 --> 00:21:33.770\nsome fun, but, but yeah, man, Augusta, obviously, you know, caddying for great\n\n516\n00:21:33.770 --> 00:21:34.720\nplayers around\n\n517\n00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:38.380\nthere and seeing Louie who size and hit that, you know, that two on the whole\n\n518\n00:21:38.380 --> 00:21:40.320\ntwo, seeing that in\n\n519\n00:21:40.320 --> 00:21:43.930\nperson was pretty special and being a part of the winning story a few times has\n\n520\n00:21:43.930 --> 00:21:44.800\nbeen very special.\n\n521\n00:21:44.800 --> 00:21:47.920\nSo I got a lot of great memories there. You know, speaking of great memories, I\n\n522\n00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:48.800\nhave to ask you\n\n523\n00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:51.270\nabout this one, because I know it has to be a great one when Bubba's in the\n\n524\n00:21:51.270 --> 00:21:52.640\nplayoff and the\n\n525\n00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:58.350\nMasters on 10. He hits it right. He's in the woods. And he hits that tremendous\n\n526\n00:21:58.350 --> 00:21:59.760\nhook. You know,\n\n527\n00:21:59.760 --> 00:22:03.240\nyou know, I don't know, 15 feet and makes the birdie to win. And take us\n\n528\n00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:04.160\nthrough that moment.\n\n529\n00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.760\nWhat was that like? What was going on with you guys? Tell us that dialogue.\n\n530\n00:22:07.760 --> 00:22:12.400\nYeah. So Bubba, he doesn't like blind shots. And 10 is a blind shot. You can't\n\n531\n00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:13.040\nsee the landing\n\n532\n00:22:13.040 --> 00:22:17.230\narea. And there's no better tee shot in the world for him than 10, except he\n\n533\n00:22:17.230 --> 00:22:17.760\ncan't see the\n\n534\n00:22:17.760 --> 00:22:21.090\nlanding. And during the tournament, he kept kind of overcutting his tee shot.\n\n535\n00:22:21.090 --> 00:22:21.920\nAnd it was starting to\n\n536\n00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.600\nget close to the bushes on the left. And I think he just made a fearful swing\n\n537\n00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:26.240\nlike, well, don't cut\n\n538\n00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.880\nit too much and hit the dreaded straight ball through the dog leg. And then we\n\n539\n00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:31.680\ngot down there.\n\n540\n00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.720\nAnd of course, you know, Gus is the best at getting the patrons out of the way.\n\n541\n00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:35.520\nSo you get down there.\n\n542\n00:22:35.520 --> 00:22:39.190\nIt's a clear opening. And I got the number and it's like, okay, it's wide open.\n\n543\n00:22:39.190 --> 00:22:40.240\nYou can hit a hook.\n\n544\n00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.110\nAnd this is what Bubba does. I mean, it wasn't like there was ever a question.\n\n545\n00:22:44.110 --> 00:22:44.640\nCan you hook it\n\n546\n00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.210\nthat much? I mean, that guy placed those shots from the middle of the fairway\n\n547\n00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:48.080\nwith no trees in his\n\n548\n00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:52.260\nway in a tournament, you know. So we got over there. The lie was good. The\n\n549\n00:22:52.260 --> 00:22:53.600\nopening was wide open.\n\n550\n00:22:53.600 --> 00:22:58.320\nAnd we knew, hey, there's only one option. And, you know, crazily enough, Bubba\n\n551\n00:22:58.320 --> 00:22:59.120\nWatson sometimes\n\n552\n00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:03.290\nis better with a really difficult shot than he is with a easy shot because with\n\n553\n00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:03.920\nan easy shot,\n\n554\n00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:07.380\nthere's a lot of options. And maybe there's some lack of clarity. So with that\n\n555\n00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:08.000\nshot, it was like,\n\n556\n00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.730\nhey, this is what we got to do. And he's so good at that. So the question was\n\n557\n00:23:11.730 --> 00:23:12.560\njust what club were\n\n558\n00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:17.620\nwe going to hit? And so he hits his gap wedge 135. We had 165 to the hole. So I\n\n559\n00:23:17.620 --> 00:23:18.400\nthought, okay,\n\n560\n00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.410\nwe'll hit a gap wedge. If he hooks it, it's going to go more than 135. And that\n\n561\n00:23:22.410 --> 00:23:23.120\n's, you know, kind of\n\n562\n00:23:23.120 --> 00:23:28.280\nhow we calculated it. And he hit the shot. And it was kind of funny because Bub\n\n563\n00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:29.360\nba's, he's afraid\n\n564\n00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:32.550\nof people. He's afraid of a crowd. You know, he's very nervous around people he\n\n565\n00:23:32.550 --> 00:23:33.680\ndoesn't know.\n\n566\n00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.280\nAnd so he comes out of the out of the trees after hitting that shot. And I had\n\n567\n00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:38.000\ngot out first and\n\n568\n00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.650\nsaw it land and saw where it was. And I was kind of like, Oh, I can't wait to\n\n569\n00:23:40.650 --> 00:23:42.160\nsee what he says.\n\n570\n00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.890\nAnd right as he steps out and he sees this ball, I'm kind of looking at him\n\n571\n00:23:45.890 --> 00:23:46.560\nlike, huh,\n\n572\n00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:51.920\nyou see your ball? And this is what he said to me, these people are touching me\n\n573\n00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:52.320\nbecause people\n\n574\n00:23:52.320 --> 00:23:57.380\nwere slapping him on the back. And I was so distracting to him. He was so fre\n\n575\n00:23:57.380 --> 00:23:58.560\naked out by people touching him,\n\n576\n00:23:58.560 --> 00:24:01.620\nyou know, that he didn't know. But it kind of makes me giggle because, you know\n\n577\n00:24:01.620 --> 00:24:02.080\n, it's just,\n\n578\n00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:05.610\nthat was his fear. And instead of being excited that his ball was 15 feet, he\n\n579\n00:24:05.610 --> 00:24:06.480\nwas more worried about\n\n580\n00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.540\npeople touching him, you know, hilarious. So I know one thing that you'll never\n\n581\n00:24:11.540 --> 00:24:12.160\nsay to Scotty\n\n582\n00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:17.330\nScheffler, given your your on the 18th hole, or maybe in the back nine, if he's\n\n583\n00:24:17.330 --> 00:24:18.400\na head big time,\n\n584\n00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.860\nis that, you know, don't soak in the moment, you will not say that. But but let\n\n585\n00:24:23.860 --> 00:24:25.040\n's say you're on the\n\n586\n00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:30.710\nback nine of Augusta National and you are in contention. What are you saying?\n\n587\n00:24:30.710 --> 00:24:32.480\nAnd what are you\n\n588\n00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.130\nintentionally not saying golf is golfers are mental, right? Every one of us,\n\n589\n00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:37.680\nbecause we\n\n590\n00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.440\ninitiate the action. So in any way, the sport, it's a reaction, sporting golf,\n\n591\n00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:41.920\nthere's a lot of\n\n592\n00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.670\ntime to think. So you have to read the player and know what does the player\n\n593\n00:24:45.670 --> 00:24:46.960\nlike? What is he not\n\n594\n00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:51.120\nlike? And and also, as a caddy, we can get stressed out and feel the pressure\n\n595\n00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:52.480\nand maybe talk too much\n\n596\n00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.260\nor not talking up or become a yes guy. Yes, I like an eight iron because you\n\n597\n00:24:56.260 --> 00:24:56.880\nlike an eight iron,\n\n598\n00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.360\neven though you're thinking it's a seven all day, you know. So I think you have\n\n599\n00:25:00.360 --> 00:25:01.440\nto just break it down\n\n600\n00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:05.840\ninto, all right, we've prepared for this. We're good at this. Let's run our\n\n601\n00:25:05.840 --> 00:25:06.720\nprocess. You know,\n\n602\n00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.160\nit's boring, but it's like, hey, this is what we have to do. We're going to go\n\n603\n00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:10.080\nthrough the process\n\n604\n00:25:10.080 --> 00:25:13.600\njust like we do talk about the target the same way we'd always talk about it.\n\n605\n00:25:13.600 --> 00:25:14.320\nYou know, if he's\n\n606\n00:25:14.320 --> 00:25:16.940\ngetting negative, I might have to say something or if he's a little too over\n\n607\n00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:17.760\nconfident, I might\n\n608\n00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:20.790\nhave to say something. Hey, this is not the right shot. You know, one of my\n\n609\n00:25:20.790 --> 00:25:21.840\nfavorite moments was,\n\n610\n00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:29.280\nI think I want to say it was the 2024 Masters and we were on 13 and Scotty hit\n\n611\n00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:30.240\nit barely kind of up\n\n612\n00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.110\nnear where Phil Mickelson was on the hill, but not quite into the pine straw.\n\n613\n00:25:34.110 --> 00:25:34.880\nAnd we get up\n\n614\n00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.920\nthere and he says, what do we do here? And I said, what do you mean? He goes,\n\n615\n00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:38.560\nyou want to lay it up\n\n616\n00:25:38.560 --> 00:25:41.710\nor go for it? I said, you're the best iron player in the world. We're not\n\n617\n00:25:41.710 --> 00:25:43.120\nlaying it up, you know.\n\n618\n00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:46.910\nAnd I said, it was such confidence because he is and was the best iron player\n\n619\n00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:47.920\nin the world. And he\n\n620\n00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.830\nkind of went, oh, yeah. And he took it for and out and knocked it right in the\n\n621\n00:25:50.830 --> 00:25:51.520\nmiddle of the green,\n\n622\n00:25:51.520 --> 00:25:54.030\nyou know, and too putted for birdie. I was like, what do you mean, lay it up,\n\n623\n00:25:54.030 --> 00:25:55.200\nyou freaking weirdo?\n\n624\n00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:59.320\nLike, I think he was kind of like, whoa, it's a big moment. And I just had to\n\n625\n00:25:59.320 --> 00:26:00.080\nremind him, hey,\n\n626\n00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.920\nyou know who you are, dude, you're Scotty Sheffler. And he's like, oh, yeah, I\n\n627\n00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:03.760\n'm Scotty Sheffler.\n\n628\n00:26:03.760 --> 00:26:07.290\nHey, give me the foreiron. So sometimes you just have to remind these guys how\n\n629\n00:26:07.290 --> 00:26:08.160\ngood they are and\n\n630\n00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.760\nthat, you know, this is what you're prepared for. And you got this man, just go\n\n631\n00:26:11.760 --> 00:26:12.800\ndo it. And then what\n\n632\n00:26:12.800 --> 00:26:16.670\ndo you not say, you know, whatever you do, don't hit in the water. The typical\n\n633\n00:26:16.670 --> 00:26:17.840\nstuff that you don't\n\n634\n00:26:17.840 --> 00:26:20.760\nwant to hear, you know, I don't think you point out all the negative stuff. You\n\n635\n00:26:20.760 --> 00:26:21.440\nreally just try\n\n636\n00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.170\nto point out what you want to have happen and focus on the potential there. Did\n\n637\n00:26:25.170 --> 00:26:26.080\nyou just describe\n\n638\n00:26:26.080 --> 00:26:30.880\nwhat you think makes a Caddy a great leader versus a bad carrier?\n\n639\n00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:36.080\nYeah, I mean, I think, you know, there's been really great caddies that I've\n\n640\n00:26:36.080 --> 00:26:36.880\nwatched, you know,\n\n641\n00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.340\nI love to watch people, I'm a people watcher and I love to observe from people.\n\n642\n00:26:40.340 --> 00:26:41.280\nAnd, you know,\n\n643\n00:26:41.280 --> 00:26:45.590\nI see some of the greatest caddies get fired the most. And it's kind of like,\n\n644\n00:26:45.590 --> 00:26:46.160\nman, why does that\n\n645\n00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:50.800\nguy get fired the most? Because they're the most willing to put themselves on\n\n646\n00:26:50.800 --> 00:26:51.760\nthe line.\n\n647\n00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:56.400\nAnd sometimes the guys that that lasts a long time with a player, maybe just\n\n648\n00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:56.960\nsay what the player\n\n649\n00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.250\nwants to hear. So it's like, okay, but they're really not challenging the\n\n650\n00:27:00.250 --> 00:27:01.440\nplayer. They're really\n\n651\n00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:05.430\nnot helping the player. You know, sometimes in a stressful environment, if you\n\n652\n00:27:05.430 --> 00:27:06.160\nget involved\n\n653\n00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:10.210\nand they mess up, you might be the first one that gets axed. So, you know, I've\n\n654\n00:27:10.210 --> 00:27:10.560\ntried to,\n\n655\n00:27:10.560 --> 00:27:14.240\nI've tried to learn from those guys and be bold when I can, you know, and I'm\n\n656\n00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.280\nnot naturally like\n\n657\n00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:19.360\njust a bold, confrontational person. Not really a naturally confident person,\n\n658\n00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:20.240\nbut I'm trying to\n\n659\n00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:24.020\nlearn that and be that for my guy. Because sometimes you have to be their\n\n660\n00:27:24.020 --> 00:27:24.480\nconfidence,\n\n661\n00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:28.110\nyou know, in a moment of vulnerability. I remember Michael Breller told me a\n\n662\n00:27:28.110 --> 00:27:29.440\nstory one time that\n\n663\n00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.300\nJordan Spieth had about a five footer that was important. And he backed off a\n\n664\n00:27:33.300 --> 00:27:33.520\ncouple\n\n665\n00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:36.880\nof times and he finally called Michael over. And the words he used to Michael\n\n666\n00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:37.600\nwas really cool.\n\n667\n00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:41.120\nHe said, I need you to make this putt for me. You know, and obviously Michael\n\n668\n00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:41.760\ncouldn't hit it,\n\n669\n00:27:41.760 --> 00:27:45.840\nbut he just, he wasn't feeling it. And so Michael got in there and spoke words\n\n670\n00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:46.080\nof,\n\n671\n00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:49.040\nyou know, affirmation and confidence to him. And he got in there and buried it.\n\n672\n00:27:49.040 --> 00:27:52.720\nAnd they fist bump and went on to play great. So I think sometimes you have to\n\n673\n00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:53.600\nbe that guy.\n\n674\n00:27:53.600 --> 00:27:57.520\nAnd, and it's hard, you know, it's hard because you don't want to mess them up.\n\n675\n00:27:57.520 --> 00:27:58.640\nIt's a hard\n\n676\n00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.050\nquestion to answer. You know, what's the right thing to say? What's the wrong\n\n677\n00:28:01.050 --> 00:28:01.600\nthing to say?\n\n678\n00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:06.250\nI don't know, man, because every person's different, you know, it's a tough\n\n679\n00:28:06.250 --> 00:28:06.480\nthing.\n\n680\n00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.360\nCaddian's tough in that situation, but it's a lot of fun.\n\n681\n00:28:09.360 --> 00:28:12.320\nYeah. And I think it would be fairly lonely too, because you're out there with\n\n682\n00:28:12.320 --> 00:28:13.200\none person on your\n\n683\n00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:18.300\nteam. And, and you know, like some would say you're basically leading from\n\n684\n00:28:18.300 --> 00:28:19.360\nbehind, you know,\n\n685\n00:28:19.360 --> 00:28:25.440\ndo you see yourself as, as a servant leader, because you're in such a\n\n686\n00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.560\nsupportive role? And,\n\n687\n00:28:26.560 --> 00:28:31.200\nwhat does that mean to you? Yeah, our good friend Brandon Parsons gave me one\n\n688\n00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:31.680\nof the coolest\n\n689\n00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:36.050\nanalogies about Caddian. He said, if your player was a NASCAR driver, what do\n\n690\n00:28:36.050 --> 00:28:37.040\nyou want him doing?\n\n691\n00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:41.350\nAnd I was like, driving the car, he goes, yeah, I don't want him doing anything\n\n692\n00:28:41.350 --> 00:28:41.680\nelse,\n\n693\n00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.630\nbecause that's what he's good at. So he said, if I got to watch this underwear,\n\n694\n00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:46.240\ngo pick up his\n\n695\n00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.200\nfood, bring it to him, you know, whatever I got to do, I don't care what I have\n\n696\n00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:50.640\nto do.\n\n697\n00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:55.400\nMy job is to forget him to focus on driving the car. And that's it. And so I\n\n698\n00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:55.760\nwas like,\n\n699\n00:28:55.760 --> 00:28:59.930\nwhat a great analogy. So what I'm looking for is what is Scotty Shepherd really\n\n700\n00:28:59.930 --> 00:29:00.640\ngood at golf?\n\n701\n00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.660\nSo I don't want him thinking about all this other stuff and people distracting\n\n702\n00:29:04.660 --> 00:29:05.120\nhim from all\n\n703\n00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:07.730\nthese, you know, from what he's good at. It's like, dude, you're really good at\n\n704\n00:29:07.730 --> 00:29:08.240\nhitting an\n\n705\n00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.840\neight iron. Let's be good at that. So as a as a Caddian, I'm just trying to\n\n706\n00:29:11.840 --> 00:29:12.960\nfill those gaps\n\n707\n00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.200\nto help him to be the best at what he's already good at. And sometimes that's\n\n708\n00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.000\nme doing nothing,\n\n709\n00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.160\nyou know, when Scotty catches fire, I am a yes, man, because he's like, I like\n\n710\n00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:22.960\neight iron. Yeah,\n\n711\n00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.440\nobviously you're feeling it. I'm not going to tell Steph Curry when he's hit\n\n712\n00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:26.480\nsix three\n\n713\n00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.510\npointers in a row. Hey, man, you know, a little more release with that, you\n\n714\n00:29:30.510 --> 00:29:30.960\nknow,\n\n715\n00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.190\nthat wrist, you know, it's like shut up and give him the ball, dude. He's on\n\n716\n00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:34.880\nfire, you know.\n\n717\n00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:38.750\nSo yeah, you're you're trying to stay out of the stay out of the way as often\n\n718\n00:29:38.750 --> 00:29:39.360\nas possible,\n\n719\n00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:42.410\nand sometimes you have to get in the way. And that's that's the scariest part\n\n720\n00:29:42.410 --> 00:29:43.520\nof Caddian, you know,\n\n721\n00:29:43.520 --> 00:29:47.170\nwhenever you know you got to do something, because that's usually their most\n\n722\n00:29:47.170 --> 00:29:47.760\nstressful,\n\n723\n00:29:47.760 --> 00:29:52.830\nvulnerable time. And you got to step in and be abrasive in some way, you know,\n\n724\n00:29:52.830 --> 00:29:53.360\nand a lot of\n\n725\n00:29:53.360 --> 00:29:57.040\ntimes they don't like it. But if you're good at it, it helps them. And I think\n\n726\n00:29:57.040 --> 00:29:57.680\nthey're really great\n\n727\n00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.360\ncaddies are able to do that. Hello, friends. I hope you're loving this\n\n728\n00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:02.720\nconversation with David\n\n729\n00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:07.350\nand Ted. As always, stay tuned to the very end of the episode. David and I are\n\n730\n00:30:07.350 --> 00:30:07.920\ngoing to debrief\n\n731\n00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.100\nthe conversation that he's having with Ted Scott. And you'll get to hear who\n\n732\n00:30:12.100 --> 00:30:13.040\nDavid thinks is going\n\n733\n00:30:13.040 --> 00:30:16.500\nto take on the green jacket this year. So stay tuned to the very end of the\n\n734\n00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.520\nepisode. And I will\n\n735\n00:30:17.520 --> 00:30:22.590\nsee you at the debrief. Thinking back, you know, what would be your greatest\n\n736\n00:30:22.590 --> 00:30:23.680\nleadership moment,\n\n737\n00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.760\nwhere you actually did that you you stepped in and you did what you had to do?\n\n738\n00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:28.640\nYeah, by far,\n\n739\n00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.810\nthe best I've ever done, not even a contest was we were on the sixth hole at\n\n740\n00:30:32.810 --> 00:30:34.320\nthe Olympics on Friday.\n\n741\n00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:39.600\nAnd Scotty was playing phenomenal going into the tournament and everybody had\n\n742\n00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:40.400\nhim to win. The\n\n743\n00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.640\nexpectations were high. Number one. And if you think about it, the Olympics\n\n744\n00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.640\ncomes around once\n\n745\n00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.290\nevery 16 majors. So it feels even bigger. It feels like so much pressure. This\n\n746\n00:30:49.290 --> 00:30:50.640\nis my one chance.\n\n747\n00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.730\nAnd he was hitting it close and couldn't make a putt. He didn't close and\n\n748\n00:30:52.730 --> 00:30:53.600\ncouldn't make a putt.\n\n749\n00:30:53.600 --> 00:30:57.280\nAnd he was getting very frustrated. And he actually threw his putter on the\n\n750\n00:30:57.280 --> 00:30:57.920\nsixth hole. He missed\n\n751\n00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.850\nanother eight foot birdie putt. And he thought, okay, we're in it. You know, I\n\n752\n00:31:00.850 --> 00:31:02.160\ngot to do something.\n\n753\n00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.620\nAnd he goes to the next tee and he topped his three wood and I went, oh my gosh\n\n754\n00:31:05.620 --> 00:31:06.160\n, and we make\n\n755\n00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.760\ndouble. And I'm like, no, I know we got to do something. So I got very strong.\n\n756\n00:31:10.760 --> 00:31:11.120\nI thought about\n\n757\n00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:14.730\nwhat I was going to say. And I wrote down three things on a piece of paper. And\n\n758\n00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:15.600\nI just we got on\n\n759\n00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:18.590\nthe eighth green when I finally got it kind of got him away from the other\n\n760\n00:31:18.590 --> 00:31:19.920\nplayers. And I said,\n\n761\n00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.830\ncome here and look at me in my eyes and listen to every word I'm saying to you\n\n762\n00:31:22.830 --> 00:31:23.440\nand don't say\n\n763\n00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.540\na word while I'm talking. You got it. I talked to him like a father. I was like\n\n764\n00:31:26.540 --> 00:31:27.040\n, I can't believe\n\n765\n00:31:27.040 --> 00:31:30.770\nI'm talking to my player like this. And he's like, just looking at me. And I\n\n766\n00:31:30.770 --> 00:31:31.440\nsaid, here's what we're\n\n767\n00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.940\ngoing to do. Forget everything. We're not doing any of that stuff you're\n\n768\n00:31:33.940 --> 00:31:34.960\nthinking about. This is\n\n769\n00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.050\nwhat we're doing. I said, we're going to do this. You got it. We're going to do\n\n770\n00:31:38.050 --> 00:31:38.880\nthis. You got it.\n\n771\n00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.080\nAnd we're going to do this. That's it. Just like three little simple things.\n\n772\n00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:42.480\nAnd I said,\n\n773\n00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.000\nyou got it. And he's like, yeah, like you got it. He goes, yeah. And he made\n\n774\n00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:45.920\nthat putt for birdie.\n\n775\n00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.380\nAnd I'm like, okay. And then we go to number nine and he had about six footer\n\n776\n00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:49.920\nand he hit a good\n\n777\n00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.850\nputt and he misread it and he missed it. And he goes, I can't read these greens\n\n778\n00:31:52.850 --> 00:31:53.600\n. And I said,\n\n779\n00:31:53.600 --> 00:31:57.560\nI can read the greens. Get me in. I'll read the greens. You know, got to fake\n\n780\n00:31:57.560 --> 00:31:58.160\nit till you make it,\n\n781\n00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:03.810\nright, David? So we go to 10 and I read the putt and he made it and we go to 11\n\n782\n00:32:03.810 --> 00:32:04.560\n. I read the putt\n\n783\n00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:07.510\nand he made it. It goes birdie birdie and he started to settle in. And then it\n\n784\n00:32:07.510 --> 00:32:07.920\nwas like,\n\n785\n00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.380\nhe started to feel it. It started to come back and his whole demeanor started\n\n786\n00:32:11.380 --> 00:32:12.080\nto relax. And he\n\n787\n00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:15.280\nwas doing the three things that I asked him to do. And then he went on to shoot\n\n788\n00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:16.160\n29 on the back\n\n789\n00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.860\nnine and win. And it was really cool, you know, for Scotty because like who\n\n790\n00:32:20.860 --> 00:32:21.520\nScotty is,\n\n791\n00:32:21.520 --> 00:32:24.590\nwhen we were on the range kind of waiting to see what Tommy Fleetwood would do.\n\n792\n00:32:24.590 --> 00:32:25.120\nAnd we heard that\n\n793\n00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:28.800\nhe had made a bogey and that he had won. He turned to me and he said, buddy,\n\n794\n00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:29.440\nthere's no way I'd\n\n795\n00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.730\never be on the podium without what you did for me this week on Friday. So that\n\n796\n00:32:32.730 --> 00:32:33.680\nwas really cool.\n\n797\n00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.920\nSo I know it was scary for me. It was very nerve wracking for me to challenge\n\n798\n00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:38.640\nhim in that way and\n\n799\n00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.020\nreally speak to him in that way. But I'm like, hey, this is the one chance that\n\n800\n00:32:42.020 --> 00:32:42.800\nwe have to write\n\n801\n00:32:42.800 --> 00:32:47.580\nthis ship. If I just sit back and say, oh, man, keep putting well, you know, I\n\n802\n00:32:47.580 --> 00:32:48.400\nhad to kind of get\n\n803\n00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:52.800\nin his brain for a second and kind of hit the restart button. And you know,\n\n804\n00:32:52.800 --> 00:32:53.600\nonce he did,\n\n805\n00:32:53.600 --> 00:32:56.950\nhe was, I didn't have to say another word. I really, the rest of the tournament\n\n806\n00:32:56.950 --> 00:32:57.680\n, I just kind of sat\n\n807\n00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.020\nback and ate popcorn and watched the guy crush everybody. So that was a lot of\n\n808\n00:33:01.020 --> 00:33:02.480\nfun. And definitely\n\n809\n00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.600\nmy most proud moment is a caddy. I can't let this go by. What were those three\n\n810\n00:33:06.600 --> 00:33:07.440\nthings? All of his\n\n811\n00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.740\ngolfers are wondering what the hell it is. I'm not I'm not revealing my secret\n\n812\n00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:11.440\nbecause I might\n\n813\n00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.350\nhave to use that again. I don't want other people using that. Okay, I knew\n\n814\n00:33:14.350 --> 00:33:15.840\nthere was a reason why.\n\n815\n00:33:15.840 --> 00:33:19.380\nOh, yeah, I'm not going to tell you what I said, but it definitely worked. So I\n\n816\n00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:19.760\nmight have to\n\n817\n00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:23.890\nremind him of that, you know, that's good. You know, I want to shift gears for\n\n818\n00:33:23.890 --> 00:33:24.320\na second,\n\n819\n00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:28.180\ntake you back. You know, what's the story from your childhood that shaped the\n\n820\n00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:29.040\nkind of leader you\n\n821\n00:33:29.040 --> 00:33:35.340\nare today? You know, I think difficult times really bring out leaders, you know\n\n822\n00:33:35.340 --> 00:33:36.560\n, I don't think that\n\n823\n00:33:36.560 --> 00:33:40.420\ndiamonds are made, you know, without the pressure, right? And so people that\n\n824\n00:33:40.420 --> 00:33:41.440\nhave gone through hard\n\n825\n00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.120\nthings, people that are, you know, been through a lot tend to be people that\n\n826\n00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:46.240\nlearn the most. And\n\n827\n00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.040\nI grew up, you know, I had an alcoholic stepfather, said a lot of nasty things,\n\n828\n00:33:51.040 --> 00:33:51.600\nkind of did some\n\n829\n00:33:51.600 --> 00:33:55.910\nnasty things. And so I think for me, that gave me drive to be a better person\n\n830\n00:33:55.910 --> 00:33:56.880\nto try to learn,\n\n831\n00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.630\nto try to grow to try to prove myself, you know, I had a little chip on my\n\n832\n00:33:59.630 --> 00:34:01.680\nshoulder. I was a fighter,\n\n833\n00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.440\nyou know, feisty person, you know, personality. So I had to learn to deal with\n\n834\n00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:06.400\nall those emotions\n\n835\n00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:11.280\nand anger and, you know, drive and failure and trying to prove myself. And you\n\n836\n00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.520\nknow,\n\n837\n00:34:11.520 --> 00:34:15.170\nI would think I did it and he didn't approve. And so I think all of those\n\n838\n00:34:15.170 --> 00:34:16.720\nhardships from childhood\n\n839\n00:34:16.720 --> 00:34:19.980\nare a blessing. You know, going through it, you'd look back and man, I wouldn't\n\n840\n00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:20.720\nwish kids to have\n\n841\n00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:24.450\nto go through that. But it definitely shaped me to become the man that I am\n\n842\n00:34:24.450 --> 00:34:26.000\ntoday. And I'm still\n\n843\n00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.800\nlearning. I still get frustrated. So, you know, deal with those things\n\n844\n00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.040\nsometimes. And sometimes my\n\n845\n00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:34.900\nchildhood as a 52 year old man, you know, comes up and I act like a fool. But\n\n846\n00:34:34.900 --> 00:34:35.760\nyeah, I think that's\n\n847\n00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.920\na big part of my childhood was, you know, the hardship that we went through as\n\n848\n00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:40.640\na family that\n\n849\n00:34:40.640 --> 00:34:45.900\nhelped me be a better man. You know, before you were a world class caddy, I\n\n850\n00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:46.880\nunderstand you were\n\n851\n00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.530\nworld class in a in another sport. You know, tell us about it. Yeah, once again\n\n852\n00:34:51.530 --> 00:34:53.040\n, if you want to get\n\n853\n00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:57.700\nbetter, you find people better than you. I was, I was a young man. I went to a\n\n854\n00:34:57.700 --> 00:34:58.400\npool hall. I\n\n855\n00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.320\nshould play a lot of pool. And I saw some people playing football back there in\n\n856\n00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:03.040\na tournament. And\n\n857\n00:35:03.040 --> 00:35:06.900\nI couldn't believe the coordination they had. And I just literally tapped some\n\n858\n00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:07.760\nrandom guy I'd never\n\n859\n00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.170\nmet on the shoulder, said, excuse me, is there somebody that could teach me how\n\n860\n00:35:10.170 --> 00:35:11.200\nto do this? And\n\n861\n00:35:11.200 --> 00:35:14.240\nhe introduced me to the guy that ran the tournaments who was a state champion.\n\n862\n00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:16.480\nAnd he started teaching\n\n863\n00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.370\nme day one, you know, it was kind of like Mr. Miyagi. You know, he was, he was\n\n864\n00:35:20.370 --> 00:35:21.280\nmy sensei on the\n\n865\n00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.630\nfootball table. And a year and a half later, I won my first tournament. And\n\n866\n00:35:25.630 --> 00:35:26.560\nthen two and a half\n\n867\n00:35:26.560 --> 00:35:30.660\nyears later, I was a four time state champion and a world champion. So it was\n\n868\n00:35:30.660 --> 00:35:31.840\npretty crazy to think\n\n869\n00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.660\nhow fast that happened. But, you know, I had great instruction and a great\n\n870\n00:35:35.660 --> 00:35:36.320\npartner. And,\n\n871\n00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.600\nyou know, it was just a lot of fun to compete. And, you know, it was kind of\n\n872\n00:35:40.600 --> 00:35:41.200\ncool to work hard\n\n873\n00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:44.570\nat something and get a reward. It was really fun. I heard it actually helped\n\n874\n00:35:44.570 --> 00:35:45.280\nyou get a job\n\n875\n00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.450\nwith Paul Asinger. It did. Paul Lego that he was a rep for Taylor made the time\n\n876\n00:35:50.450 --> 00:35:51.280\n. He came up to me\n\n877\n00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.040\nand said, Hey, Paul Asinger thinks he can beat anybody on the PGA tour at foos\n\n878\n00:35:55.040 --> 00:35:55.600\nball. You need to\n\n879\n00:35:55.600 --> 00:35:59.370\ngo challenge him. I was like, Oh, no way that guy could beat me at foosball.\n\n880\n00:35:59.370 --> 00:36:00.320\nAnd so I went up and\n\n881\n00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.180\nchallenged him. And we went to play, you know, during one of the weeks of the\n\n882\n00:36:04.180 --> 00:36:04.880\ntournaments while\n\n883\n00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.120\nI was working for Grant Wade at the time. And he was just fascinated by what I\n\n884\n00:36:08.120 --> 00:36:08.800\ncould do on the\n\n885\n00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.590\ntable and invited me to his house. And I went to spend a week at his house and\n\n886\n00:36:12.590 --> 00:36:13.840\nwe played foosball\n\n887\n00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.910\nand golf together. And I was teaching him and pretty soon he was like, man,\n\n888\n00:36:16.910 --> 00:36:17.840\nthis is so much fun.\n\n889\n00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.970\nHe started playing in tournaments. And then he invited me to caddy for him.\n\n890\n00:36:20.970 --> 00:36:21.680\nBecause, you know,\n\n891\n00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:24.830\nhe really just wanted me to go at nighttime after we'd be on the golf course go\n\n892\n00:36:24.830 --> 00:36:25.760\nat nighttime and find\n\n893\n00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.040\nplaces to play and people would compete against. So kind of crazy how God used\n\n894\n00:36:30.040 --> 00:36:30.880\nthat that foosball\n\n895\n00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.610\ngame to connect me with a different player and continue my caddy career is\n\n896\n00:36:34.610 --> 00:36:35.520\npretty funny.\n\n897\n00:36:35.520 --> 00:36:40.720\nHow'd you get into caddy in the first place? In 1999, a term pro to teach golf\n\n898\n00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:41.600\nand a man that\n\n899\n00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:46.510\nI played around with a few times said, man, you're playing really well. You're\n\n900\n00:36:46.510 --> 00:36:47.120\nreally out of try to\n\n901\n00:36:47.120 --> 00:36:50.690\nplay. And I said, well, you know, the mini tours are expensive. He said, I have\n\n902\n00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:51.280\nmoney. I said,\n\n903\n00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:58.030\nHello, good to see you best friend. So ended up sponsoring me to play as a pro.\n\n904\n00:36:58.030 --> 00:36:58.800\nAnd like once\n\n905\n00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.390\nagain, if you want to get better, find people better than you and the\n\n906\n00:37:01.390 --> 00:37:02.480\nnationwide tour at the time\n\n907\n00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.460\nwould come to my hometown every year. And so I just went to caddy for one week\n\n908\n00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:07.200\nto try to see\n\n909\n00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:10.860\nwhat are these guys doing that, you know, that I need to be doing. And, you\n\n910\n00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:12.080\nknow, quickly grant\n\n911\n00:37:12.080 --> 00:37:15.540\nweight. I saw how good he was. He was teaching me a little bit. He asked me if\n\n912\n00:37:15.540 --> 00:37:16.400\nI'd want to caddy\n\n913\n00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.860\nagain. And again, and I just I was like, dude, I'm learning so much. I'd love\n\n914\n00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:20.560\nto keep doing this\n\n915\n00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:23.740\nfor a little while. And then three months into it, we battled Tiger Woods head\n\n916\n00:37:23.740 --> 00:37:24.880\nto head at 2000\n\n917\n00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:29.600\nCanadian Open on Sunday in the final group and finished second. And, you know,\n\n918\n00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:30.320\nI realized two\n\n919\n00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.370\nthings caddy is a lot of fun. And man, I'm way, way far removed from being able\n\n920\n00:37:34.370 --> 00:37:35.120\nto compete with\n\n921\n00:37:35.120 --> 00:37:38.310\nthese guys. So I better just stick to caddy. And, you know, speaking of\n\n922\n00:37:38.310 --> 00:37:39.760\nleadership, what did you\n\n923\n00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:45.410\nlearn watching Tiger Woods close up and personal? Man, just just the, I would\n\n924\n00:37:45.410 --> 00:37:46.640\nsay the realness,\n\n925\n00:37:46.640 --> 00:37:50.220\nyou know, of who he was like, he just walked up and looked you right in the\n\n926\n00:37:50.220 --> 00:37:50.720\neyes and\n\n927\n00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:53.630\nHey, man, I'm Tiger. And I was like, yeah, no kidding buddy. You know, you know\n\n928\n00:37:53.630 --> 00:37:55.440\n, and, and just the\n\n929\n00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.680\nfreedom that he had to go for it. I think that's the biggest mistake that that\n\n930\n00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:00.480\nall golfers make\n\n931\n00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.740\nall of us were so worried about hitting a bad shot that we often hit a bad shot\n\n932\n00:38:03.740 --> 00:38:05.040\n. And I remember\n\n933\n00:38:05.040 --> 00:38:08.640\none of the most impressive shots I've ever seen a human being hit was the tee\n\n934\n00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:09.200\nshot on the first\n\n935\n00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:12.190\nhole that Tiger hit. I mean, and literally when he hit that tee shot, I almost\n\n936\n00:38:12.190 --> 00:38:13.600\nturned to Grant said,\n\n937\n00:38:13.600 --> 00:38:17.840\nwe're not beating this guy because he just hit it with such freedom. And yes,\n\n938\n00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:19.040\nit went well. But\n\n939\n00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:22.060\nI don't even think it would have mattered. He just, he stepped up like he had\n\n940\n00:38:22.060 --> 00:38:23.040\nnever hit a bad shot\n\n941\n00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:26.900\nin his entire life. And I'd never seen a person swing with that, that ledge\n\n942\n00:38:26.900 --> 00:38:28.880\nconviction. And it\n\n943\n00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.100\nreally impressed me. And you know, that's what great ones do. They have that\n\n944\n00:38:32.100 --> 00:38:33.360\nability to be nervous\n\n945\n00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:38.450\nand have the trouble and still go for it with the game on the line. And he\n\n946\n00:38:38.450 --> 00:38:39.520\ncertainly, you know,\n\n947\n00:38:39.520 --> 00:38:43.600\nis one that's done that a lot improvement himself. You know, you talked about\n\n948\n00:38:43.600 --> 00:38:44.720\nwhen you were at the\n\n949\n00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:48.630\nOlympics and you helped in still confidence and get Scotty back on track as\n\n950\n00:38:48.630 --> 00:38:49.440\nbeing a great,\n\n951\n00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:54.320\ngreat leadership moment. And just kind of strikes me makes me wonder, you know,\n\n952\n00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:55.200\nwhat is the really\n\n953\n00:38:55.200 --> 00:39:02.630\nthe best way to to disagree, you know, with someone without putting fear or\n\n954\n00:39:02.630 --> 00:39:04.800\ndoubt into their mind.\n\n955\n00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.990\nYou know, that's, that's got to be a challenge. I mean, a really good friend of\n\n956\n00:39:08.990 --> 00:39:10.400\nmine actually\n\n957\n00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.840\ntold me, said, if you ask a great question, it demands a great answer. And so\n\n958\n00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.600\nI would say you could be, let's say the guy would say, I don't want to hit\n\n959\n00:39:21.600 --> 00:39:22.400\nthree way and go for the\n\n960\n00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.570\ngreen. Well, you could say, no, man, don't go for the green. We need to lay\n\n961\n00:39:25.570 --> 00:39:26.400\nthis up, right? Well,\n\n962\n00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:30.660\nthat's kind of arguing, arguing, right? And then what you could do is say, okay\n\n963\n00:39:30.660 --> 00:39:31.760\n, you know, let's\n\n964\n00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.960\nentertain that possibility. What are the potential outcomes that you're okay\n\n965\n00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:35.840\nwith if we go for the\n\n966\n00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.970\ngreen? Well, I could hit it on the green. Okay, well, I could hit it left in\n\n967\n00:39:38.970 --> 00:39:39.840\nthe water. How would\n\n968\n00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.580\nthat how would that turn things? How would that make you feel, you know, I\n\n969\n00:39:42.580 --> 00:39:43.920\nwould hate that. Okay,\n\n970\n00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.720\ndo you think there's just as good of an opportunity to make a birdie if we do\n\n971\n00:39:46.720 --> 00:39:47.360\nlay that? Yeah, my\n\n972\n00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.550\nwedge game is good and this pins in a good spot. All right, let's just do that.\n\n973\n00:39:50.550 --> 00:39:51.440\nSo you can guide\n\n974\n00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:55.760\npeople by not arguing with them. You can guide them by asking a great question\n\n975\n00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:56.560\nand get them to\n\n976\n00:39:56.560 --> 00:40:00.020\nthink through because sometimes they're not seeing the all the possibilities.\n\n977\n00:40:00.020 --> 00:40:00.880\nSo I think sometimes\n\n978\n00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.910\nwe don't have to argue we can just ask a great question and that demands a\n\n979\n00:40:03.910 --> 00:40:04.640\ngreat answer.\n\n980\n00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:08.500\nYeah, if a player doesn't answer that question in the way you'd like them to\n\n981\n00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:09.200\nanswer it, they go\n\n982\n00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:13.400\nahead and do what they wanted to do anyway and they should have taken your\n\n983\n00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:14.720\nadvice. Are you ever\n\n984\n00:40:14.720 --> 00:40:18.230\ntempted to let them know that you were right after the fact or, you know, how\n\n985\n00:40:18.230 --> 00:40:19.280\ndo you handle it?\n\n986\n00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:24.350\nNo, I think experience is a great teacher. And sometimes, you know, I would I\n\n987\n00:40:24.350 --> 00:40:25.600\nwould rather my guy\n\n988\n00:40:25.600 --> 00:40:30.770\ntake a take on a dumb shot to keep his cockiness and his level of competence\n\n989\n00:40:30.770 --> 00:40:31.920\nhigh than I would\n\n990\n00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:35.680\nalways take the conservative route and always lay up because the guy that\n\n991\n00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:36.880\nalways lays up makes a\n\n992\n00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.640\nlot of money on the tour, but never wins, you know, that we know the guys that\n\n993\n00:40:39.640 --> 00:40:40.560\nmake 50 million in\n\n994\n00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:43.610\ntheir career and win once because they're always hitting to the center of the\n\n995\n00:40:43.610 --> 00:40:44.480\ngreen with the games\n\n996\n00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.810\non the line and laying hitting their first put up to foot short from 10 feet\n\n997\n00:40:48.810 --> 00:40:49.760\nand kind of playing\n\n998\n00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:54.820\nthe safety route. And I think the guys that are, you know, the risk takers, not\n\n999\n00:40:54.820 --> 00:40:55.840\nJohn Daley risk\n\n1000\n00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.790\ntype risk taker, because he was too aggressive. But the guys like Scotty, they\n\n1001\n00:40:58.790 --> 00:40:59.440\n're willing to,\n\n1002\n00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.670\nhey, I'm willing to hit a three wood up this tee even though it's tight down\n\n1003\n00:41:02.670 --> 00:41:03.360\nthere and there's a\n\n1004\n00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.910\npotential I could hit in the water because the rewards high enough. I don't\n\n1005\n00:41:06.910 --> 00:41:07.840\never want to talk\n\n1006\n00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.960\nmy guy out of that kind of confidence. So yeah, sometimes you let him go\n\n1007\n00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.080\nforward and do the stupid\n\n1008\n00:41:12.080 --> 00:41:15.540\nthing and it's okay, you know, just sometimes you suffer the consequences of it\n\n1009\n00:41:15.540 --> 00:41:16.800\n. It's all right.\n\n1010\n00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.040\nNow you contribute to this strategy, but you aren't the one taking the shot.\n\n1011\n00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:21.280\nYou know,\n\n1012\n00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:26.980\nwhat advice can you get the leaders on, on how to show up when you don't\n\n1013\n00:41:26.980 --> 00:41:28.320\ncontrol the final outcome?\n\n1014\n00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:33.040\nLuke Donald's Oh, Katie, John McLaren said that one of the cool ways that they\n\n1015\n00:41:33.040 --> 00:41:33.600\nwould go about\n\n1016\n00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:37.520\ndo it, it was they would talk about it like it's a stock, right? So it's like,\n\n1017\n00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:38.240\nhey,\n\n1018\n00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:42.100\nI've got stock A, you've got stock B, which one do you want to buy? Well, tell\n\n1019\n00:41:42.100 --> 00:41:42.880\nme about your stock.\n\n1020\n00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:47.040\nOkay, uh huh. Okay, tell me about your stock. You know what, stock B to me\n\n1021\n00:41:47.040 --> 00:41:48.080\nsounds better.\n\n1022\n00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:51.610\nSo I think as a consultant, which is what, you know, what we really are as cat\n\n1023\n00:41:51.610 --> 00:41:52.160\nies, we're really\n\n1024\n00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:55.680\na consultant, we're just giving advice that they don't have to take, you know,\n\n1025\n00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:56.080\nyou're just trying\n\n1026\n00:41:56.080 --> 00:41:59.650\nto present information in a good way and hopefully they'll see it and then they\n\n1027\n00:41:59.650 --> 00:42:00.720\ncan decide, yeah,\n\n1028\n00:42:00.720 --> 00:42:03.360\nI think you're right. I do like the idea of hitting a two iron up this tee\n\n1029\n00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:04.560\ninstead of a driver,\n\n1030\n00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:08.090\nor man, that's dumb. That stock's going to tank. Let's hit the driver, you know\n\n1031\n00:42:08.090 --> 00:42:08.240\n,\n\n1032\n00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:11.700\nand sometimes you're right, sometimes he's right and that's okay. You know, the\n\n1033\n00:42:11.700 --> 00:42:12.480\ntwo different ideas\n\n1034\n00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.940\noften will reveal, you know, that there's usually one that's a better, better\n\n1035\n00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:16.240\nchoice.\n\n1036\n00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:22.260\nAnd you've been caddying now for 29, 29 years, you know, and you're going\n\n1037\n00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:22.480\naround\n\n1038\n00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:26.490\nto these tournaments again and again and again, you're repeating the cycle. How\n\n1039\n00:42:26.490 --> 00:42:27.280\ndo you, how do you\n\n1040\n00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.920\nget prepared? Like you've won the Masters, you know, four times, you know, how\n\n1041\n00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:32.880\ndo you get prepared?\n\n1042\n00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.920\nHow will you get prepared for this year's Masters? Is there anything different\n\n1043\n00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:36.880\nyou'll do or\n\n1044\n00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.740\ndo you do the same thing? Or how do you keep evolving how you get prepared and\n\n1045\n00:42:40.740 --> 00:42:41.520\nget better\n\n1046\n00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:45.040\nat the preparation? Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, we're looking at the\n\n1047\n00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:45.600\nweather. What's\n\n1048\n00:42:45.600 --> 00:42:48.240\nthe weather going to be like? How far is the ball going to fly? Is it going to\n\n1049\n00:42:48.240 --> 00:42:49.120\nbe hot, cold,\n\n1050\n00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:52.180\nyou know, is it north wind, west wind, south wind? And then you're trying to\n\n1051\n00:42:52.180 --> 00:42:53.040\nsee like, well,\n\n1052\n00:42:53.040 --> 00:42:56.390\nif it's going to rain a bunch, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, even though they\n\n1053\n00:42:56.390 --> 00:42:57.200\nhave that, you know,\n\n1054\n00:42:57.200 --> 00:43:00.000\nthe ways to dry the greens out, they're not going to be as firm as they use the\n\n1055\n00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:00.880\nR so that you can,\n\n1056\n00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.600\nyou have to play some holes different or man, that's been dry for seven days.\n\n1057\n00:43:05.600 --> 00:43:08.610\nMan, the greens are going to be crazy firm, crazy fast. So now we got a plan\n\n1058\n00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:09.600\nfor this. So,\n\n1059\n00:43:09.600 --> 00:43:13.200\nfirst, you're just trying to see how are the conditions going to affect play at\n\n1060\n00:43:13.200 --> 00:43:13.520\n, you know,\n\n1061\n00:43:13.520 --> 00:43:16.790\ncoming up. That's where your starting point is. And then I'm looking, trying to\n\n1062\n00:43:16.790 --> 00:43:17.680\nlook for nuances\n\n1063\n00:43:17.680 --> 00:43:20.770\nbecause, you know, if they've changed anything on the course, I'm trying to see\n\n1064\n00:43:20.770 --> 00:43:21.680\nif I can spot it,\n\n1065\n00:43:21.680 --> 00:43:25.360\nfind it that way. You know, it's like, oh, man, there's a little more room here\n\n1066\n00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:26.000\nto the right on\n\n1067\n00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.910\nhole seven. If you hit a three wood, then there used to be because the tree\n\n1068\n00:43:28.910 --> 00:43:29.760\nfell or something,\n\n1069\n00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:33.080\nyou know, or man, they put a new tree in here. What used to be okay, that's no\n\n1070\n00:43:33.080 --> 00:43:33.680\nlonger good. So,\n\n1071\n00:43:33.680 --> 00:43:36.590\nwe need to lay back farther and make sure we get the fairway so we have a clear\n\n1072\n00:43:36.590 --> 00:43:37.680\nsecond shot on seven\n\n1073\n00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:40.640\nor something like that. So, you know, I'm just trying to walk around and see if\n\n1074\n00:43:40.640 --> 00:43:41.520\nthere's any nuances\n\n1075\n00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:45.900\nand then just add to the notes that I already have, you know, and then while he\n\n1076\n00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:46.640\n's playing his\n\n1077\n00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:49.890\npractice round, you know, talk it over with him like, are you okay if the ball\n\n1078\n00:43:49.890 --> 00:43:50.960\nends up here to this\n\n1079\n00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.480\npin? Would you rather it be over here to this pin, you know, trying to find the\n\n1080\n00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:55.520\nplaces, the areas\n\n1081\n00:43:55.520 --> 00:43:59.920\nwhere he likes to get it up and down from two certain pin locations. And that's\n\n1082\n00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:00.160\nkind of what\n\n1083\n00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:04.390\nwe're all doing out there as caddies and players. Now, you're on a two-person\n\n1084\n00:44:04.390 --> 00:44:06.000\nteam and it's interesting,\n\n1085\n00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:10.310\nyou know, all great teams create great cultures. I mean, you know, I've studied\n\n1086\n00:44:10.310 --> 00:44:11.120\ngreat companies\n\n1087\n00:44:11.120 --> 00:44:18.040\nand they always create a culture that really melds the best performance, brings\n\n1088\n00:44:18.040 --> 00:44:19.040\nit all together.\n\n1089\n00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:25.280\nHow do you create a culture on a small, intimate team like you have?\n\n1090\n00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.340\nYeah, Scotty is a really fun person. Like, he's hilarious. People don't know\n\n1091\n00:44:30.340 --> 00:44:31.200\nthat about him,\n\n1092\n00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:35.360\nbut I would say he's really serious when he's folk, when he's practicing and\n\n1093\n00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.040\ncompeting. And I think\n\n1094\n00:44:37.040 --> 00:44:41.710\nI'm a little bit opposite. I'm kind of a little clown around a little too much,\n\n1095\n00:44:41.710 --> 00:44:43.040\nnot always serious\n\n1096\n00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:47.680\nenough. And so I think that blend kind of creates the right environment for us,\n\n1097\n00:44:47.680 --> 00:44:48.400\nyou know, I'm\n\n1098\n00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.860\njoking around a little bit. He's a little too serious. So he kind of, he makes\n\n1099\n00:44:51.860 --> 00:44:52.400\nme focus more,\n\n1100\n00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.000\nI make him lighten up a little bit. That's probably why we work well together,\n\n1101\n00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:56.240\nyou know,\n\n1102\n00:44:56.240 --> 00:44:59.700\nwhereas if you had two serious people, maybe that wouldn't work or two people\n\n1103\n00:44:59.700 --> 00:45:00.240\nthat are clowning\n\n1104\n00:45:00.240 --> 00:45:02.800\naround, that wouldn't work. So I think our environment works pretty well\n\n1105\n00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.320\nbecause, you know,\n\n1106\n00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:08.440\nwe're kind of opposites in personality, you know, and, and he's such a, he's\n\n1107\n00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:09.600\nsuch a hard worker\n\n1108\n00:45:09.600 --> 00:45:13.330\nthat he just, he makes everybody around him better. We all want to work hard\n\n1109\n00:45:13.330 --> 00:45:14.400\nfor him because we see\n\n1110\n00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.650\nthe dedication, you know, his agent Blake is incredible, his coach Randy's\n\n1111\n00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:19.360\nincredible,\n\n1112\n00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:23.520\nhis coach Phil Kenyon's incredible, his, his, you know, trainer, Marness is\n\n1113\n00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:24.240\nincredible,\n\n1114\n00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:27.920\nTroy back at home. These guys, Chris, I mean, they're all, they're all work\n\n1115\n00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.920\nreally hard to support him.\n\n1116\n00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:33.480\nAnd I think, you know, that comes from him because you know how bad he wants it\n\n1117\n00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:34.000\n, you know, he's\n\n1118\n00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.970\ngoing to do the work. So we, none of us want to cheat him by cutting corners,\n\n1119\n00:45:37.970 --> 00:45:39.120\nyou know, so that,\n\n1120\n00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:42.080\nthat, that creates a great work environment for all of us.\n\n1121\n00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:45.840\nSo work ethic is definitely a shared value that you all have. Is there any\n\n1122\n00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:46.640\nother shared value\n\n1123\n00:45:46.640 --> 00:45:50.800\nthat you have that brings such different personalities together and make you,\n\n1124\n00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.920\nmake you cohesive?\n\n1125\n00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.080\nYou know, I think laughter, we, we laugh a lot, you know, Scotty and I, we have\n\n1126\n00:45:55.080 --> 00:45:55.680\na lot of fun.\n\n1127\n00:45:56.640 --> 00:46:00.970\nYou know, we crack up, we, we giggle, we talk about stupid things. You know, we\n\n1128\n00:46:00.970 --> 00:46:01.520\n're, we're very\n\n1129\n00:46:01.520 --> 00:46:07.360\ncompetitive. I think being a competitor, you know, but, but, um, yeah, so just,\n\n1130\n00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:08.480\nyou know, we have\n\n1131\n00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.640\nspiritual similarities, you know, we believe in the same Jesus. We love our\n\n1132\n00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:13.840\nfamilies, we love being\n\n1133\n00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:18.900\na dad, you know, we love being a friend. So I think just, just having similar\n\n1134\n00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:19.920\nideals on life,\n\n1135\n00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.830\nyou know, definitely makes it easier to spend six hours a day with somebody,\n\n1136\n00:46:22.830 --> 00:46:23.600\nyou know, if you didn't,\n\n1137\n00:46:24.240 --> 00:46:27.200\nit would be really hard to spend that kind of time together. So, you know, just\n\n1138\n00:46:27.200 --> 00:46:27.600\nhaving a lot\n\n1139\n00:46:27.600 --> 00:46:31.280\nof commonalities really makes a difference. I've heard you say that if you were\n\n1140\n00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:31.920\ngoing to choose\n\n1141\n00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.980\na caddy, you'd choose someone who wasn't changed because of the circumstance.\n\n1142\n00:46:36.980 --> 00:46:37.280\nSay more.\n\n1143\n00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.730\nWhenever we practice, we don't practice with the pressure. And then when the\n\n1144\n00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:42.480\npressure comes,\n\n1145\n00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.400\nall of us kind of tend to be different. You get tired, you get worried, you're\n\n1146\n00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:46.560\nnot as talkative.\n\n1147\n00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:51.360\nAnd so for me, I like to have fun and I'm, I'm, I'm at my best in anything I do\n\n1148\n00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.000\nin life when I'm\n\n1149\n00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.060\nenjoying it. And when it gets too serious or whatever, I can get angry,\n\n1150\n00:46:57.060 --> 00:46:58.240\nfrustrated and not be as good.\n\n1151\n00:46:58.240 --> 00:47:01.450\nSo I think if I was going to have a caddy, I would want someone that can keep\n\n1152\n00:47:01.450 --> 00:47:02.560\nit light out there that\n\n1153\n00:47:02.560 --> 00:47:05.690\nwe can focus, but he'd be like, this isn't life ending. It's not life\n\n1154\n00:47:05.690 --> 00:47:07.280\nthreatening. Because sometimes\n\n1155\n00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.400\nthose things, you know, from my childhood can feel life threatening performance\n\n1156\n00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:10.960\nto me sometimes\n\n1157\n00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.630\ncan feel like, Oh my gosh, if this doesn't happen, life is over as we know it.\n\n1158\n00:47:14.630 --> 00:47:15.520\nAnd I don't do well\n\n1159\n00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:18.980\nin that environment, I'll fall apart like a bad meatloaf. Whereas if somebody\n\n1160\n00:47:18.980 --> 00:47:19.760\nkind of keeps it\n\n1161\n00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.670\nlight and reminds me like, Hey, this is what you love to do. You love to\n\n1162\n00:47:22.670 --> 00:47:23.840\ncompete. This is fun. I'm\n\n1163\n00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:27.400\nlike, Oh yeah, I do love to compete. And you're okay with failing, which makes\n\n1164\n00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:28.480\nme okay to succeed.\n\n1165\n00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.080\nOh yeah. So I think I would want a caddy that wouldn't be changing in the\n\n1166\n00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:33.280\ncircumstances. That\n\n1167\n00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:37.440\nwould definitely help me. And you've had so much success. And it seems like,\n\n1168\n00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:37.920\nyou know, just from\n\n1169\n00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.060\nwhat I watch on television, what I've observed is that, yeah, you always seem\n\n1170\n00:47:43.060 --> 00:47:44.480\nto get recognized by\n\n1171\n00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.540\nScotty. He doesn't take you for granted. He shares the credit with you. How\n\n1172\n00:47:49.540 --> 00:47:50.720\nimportant is that to you\n\n1173\n00:47:50.720 --> 00:47:55.120\nas a leader? I think it's more important that just reminds me of what a great\n\n1174\n00:47:55.120 --> 00:47:55.760\nperson that I'm\n\n1175\n00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.130\nworking for. I don't really care about the credit myself. It's more about the\n\n1176\n00:48:00.130 --> 00:48:01.280\nman that that you're\n\n1177\n00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.950\nputting your energy into appreciates what you're doing. So if he said it to me\n\n1178\n00:48:04.950 --> 00:48:05.680\nin private,\n\n1179\n00:48:05.680 --> 00:48:09.690\nthat would be good enough, you know, because we all know when we do a good job\n\n1180\n00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:10.400\nand somebody says\n\n1181\n00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.530\nout of a way, man, once you just want to get right back out there and do it\n\n1182\n00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:14.240\nagain, you know,\n\n1183\n00:48:14.240 --> 00:48:17.800\nthat's all it takes, right? You know, if you're if your kid went mowed the\n\n1184\n00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:18.480\ngrass and you said,\n\n1185\n00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.420\nall right, bud, you got to go mow the grass and he's 12 and he's never mowed\n\n1186\n00:48:21.420 --> 00:48:22.400\nthe grass and he did\n\n1187\n00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.860\nit. And you know, and you said, buddy, you did such a good job. He's going to\n\n1188\n00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:26.640\nbe like, thanks,\n\n1189\n00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:29.240\nman. And next time we know you mow the grass, yeah, I'll mow the grass, you\n\n1190\n00:48:29.240 --> 00:48:30.400\nknow, we all like that\n\n1191\n00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.150\nfeeling of like we're doing a good job. So Scotty's a great at that. His wife\n\n1192\n00:48:34.150 --> 00:48:35.120\nis maybe the world\n\n1193\n00:48:35.120 --> 00:48:38.580\nchampion at it, you know, making people feel good about themselves. So yeah, it\n\n1194\n00:48:38.580 --> 00:48:39.360\n's a lot of fun to\n\n1195\n00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.640\nwork for their team. They're really great people. You know, you mentioned\n\n1196\n00:48:42.640 --> 00:48:43.840\nworking hard, you know,\n\n1197\n00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:48.140\nin business sport, whatever, you can really work hard for a long time. And\n\n1198\n00:48:48.140 --> 00:48:49.200\nsometimes you\n\n1199\n00:48:49.200 --> 00:48:55.280\ndon't get the get the results. You know, what's the story of having to mentally\n\n1200\n00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.720\nreset to get back\n\n1201\n00:48:56.720 --> 00:49:01.380\nto to what you do best? I mean, you know, it hasn't always been, you know, this\n\n1202\n00:49:01.380 --> 00:49:01.760\n, this, this\n\n1203\n00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.520\nunbelievable panacea of success. Yeah, we talked about earlier that sometimes\n\n1204\n00:49:07.520 --> 00:49:08.000\nyou work,\n\n1205\n00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.260\nyou work hard and make changes and things get worse. And you see it in business\n\n1206\n00:49:12.260 --> 00:49:13.360\n, you see it in sports,\n\n1207\n00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:17.510\nyou see great athletes, you know, golfers or whatever changed the way they do\n\n1208\n00:49:17.510 --> 00:49:18.560\nsomething and\n\n1209\n00:49:18.560 --> 00:49:22.210\nalso they fall off the map. So, you know, you got to be careful, I think not to\n\n1210\n00:49:22.210 --> 00:49:23.840\nmake too big a change\n\n1211\n00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.520\nwhen you're trying to change for the better. But ultimately, it's just, I think\n\n1212\n00:49:27.520 --> 00:49:27.920\nsimple,\n\n1213\n00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.980\nsimplicity over time is probably the secret to for success to any, you know, to\n\n1214\n00:49:32.980 --> 00:49:33.120\nany\n\n1215\n00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:37.780\nsuccessful person is just keeping it simple, being consistent and doing that\n\n1216\n00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:39.040\nlong enough, you know,\n\n1217\n00:49:39.040 --> 00:49:43.350\nthere's a, a billion different exercises you can do. But in order to get a\n\n1218\n00:49:43.350 --> 00:49:44.240\nbeach body, you can\n\n1219\n00:49:44.240 --> 00:49:48.610\nliterally do air squats, push ups, pull ups and sit ups, you know, you could do\n\n1220\n00:49:48.610 --> 00:49:49.440\nthe most basic\n\n1221\n00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.380\nform of exercise and do it long enough and eat healthy. And after a couple\n\n1222\n00:49:53.380 --> 00:49:54.800\nyears, you'd be the\n\n1223\n00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.200\nbest looking person on the beach, right? But there is, hey, there's hang cleans\n\n1224\n00:49:59.200 --> 00:49:59.680\nand not only\n\n1225\n00:49:59.680 --> 00:50:02.980\nthere's all these fancy terminologies, right? You don't have to do all that\n\n1226\n00:50:02.980 --> 00:50:04.320\nfancy stuff, you know,\n\n1227\n00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.100\nand sometimes we forget that. So I think when things get, when things get off\n\n1228\n00:50:08.100 --> 00:50:08.640\nthe rails,\n\n1229\n00:50:08.640 --> 00:50:12.260\njust get back to being consistent, keep it simple and do it long enough over\n\n1230\n00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:13.040\ntime. And I think\n\n1231\n00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:17.690\nthe success, the winning formula will come back. And then there are times when\n\n1232\n00:50:17.690 --> 00:50:18.160\nyou have\n\n1233\n00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:23.220\nunexpected crises pop up and, you know, I'm from Louisville, Kentucky, I'm a\n\n1234\n00:50:23.220 --> 00:50:24.080\nmember at Valhalla\n\n1235\n00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:28.270\nand, you know, you were at the PGA Championship there. And, you know, I\n\n1236\n00:50:28.270 --> 00:50:29.920\nactually get a text that\n\n1237\n00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:34.130\nat six o'clock in the morning from Randy Smith asking me if I knew a great\n\n1238\n00:50:34.130 --> 00:50:36.160\nlawyer in Louisville\n\n1239\n00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:42.180\nthat could get Scotty out of jail. And unfortunately, I'd been out the night\n\n1240\n00:50:42.180 --> 00:50:43.280\nbefore and usually I'm\n\n1241\n00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:47.680\nup very early, but I'd step through and I read this text and I go, Oh my gosh.\n\n1242\n00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:48.880\nAnd then come to\n\n1243\n00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:54.260\nfind out my partner Jimmy Kerstorfford helped get the lawyer and helped get\n\n1244\n00:50:54.260 --> 00:50:56.800\nScotty out of jail.\n\n1245\n00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:02.320\nBut this happens and you got a tea time to make and you make that tea time that\n\n1246\n00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:03.520\nday, you know,\n\n1247\n00:51:03.520 --> 00:51:08.880\ntalk about how you helped him through that crisis because he went out and I\n\n1248\n00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:09.600\nthink on the first\n\n1249\n00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:14.920\nholy birdie that he broke part, he broke part of that day. He had a great round\n\n1250\n00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:15.280\n.\n\n1251\n00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.200\nYeah, I think he shot 66 actually. Yeah, that's more than breaking far. Yeah,\n\n1252\n00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:20.160\nit's pretty good.\n\n1253\n00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:24.800\nYou know, Scotty was, first of all, stretching in jail. You know, who does that\n\n1254\n00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:25.440\n, right? Who gets\n\n1255\n00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.220\narrested and is in there doing toe touches thinking, Hey, if I get out of here,\n\n1256\n00:51:29.220 --> 00:51:30.240\nI'm going to go beat\n\n1257\n00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:34.260\nsome people at golf, you know. So first of all, it's his, a testament to just\n\n1258\n00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:35.200\nwhat a competitor\n\n1259\n00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:39.360\nthat he is keeping his mind on the prize, no matter what the distraction is,\n\n1260\n00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:39.920\neven if it's\n\n1261\n00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.560\nbeing arrested. So that's the first thing. But you know, the second thing is, I\n\n1262\n00:51:43.560 --> 00:51:45.600\nthink that's a good\n\n1263\n00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:49.060\ndistraction for him was to be on a golf course because, you know, what just\n\n1264\n00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:50.480\nhappened? I'm arrested\n\n1265\n00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.790\nand, you know, getting charged with a felony. Like that's, that's some pretty\n\n1266\n00:51:54.790 --> 00:51:55.840\nbig implications\n\n1267\n00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.760\nand not knowing what the future was going to be, what, you know, what the\n\n1268\n00:51:58.760 --> 00:51:59.520\nprocess was going to\n\n1269\n00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:03.090\nlook like going forward. I think golf was a good thing for him to get, you know\n\n1270\n00:52:03.090 --> 00:52:04.080\n, that off his mind\n\n1271\n00:52:04.080 --> 00:52:07.990\nand go do what he knows what he's familiar with. So yeah, crisis are going to\n\n1272\n00:52:07.990 --> 00:52:08.960\ncome. And again,\n\n1273\n00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.720\nit's just about putting your head down and pushing through it and, you know,\n\n1274\n00:52:12.720 --> 00:52:13.040\nstaying,\n\n1275\n00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:16.070\nstaying with the process of what you do and whether it's in business or\n\n1276\n00:52:16.070 --> 00:52:16.960\nwhatever. I mean,\n\n1277\n00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.540\nthink about investing your money in the stock market. You know, if you've best\n\n1278\n00:52:20.540 --> 00:52:21.200\ned long enough,\n\n1279\n00:52:21.200 --> 00:52:25.160\nit's going to go up. But there's times where what just happened, man, I lost 20\n\n1280\n00:52:25.160 --> 00:52:26.320\n,000 a day. Well,\n\n1281\n00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:30.460\non paper, but if you stick to it long enough, that money comes back and even\n\n1282\n00:52:30.460 --> 00:52:32.000\ngrows larger. So\n\n1283\n00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.520\nit's, it's the same story and everything we do, you know, bad things are going\n\n1284\n00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:36.240\nto happen. It's\n\n1285\n00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:39.970\ncoming and you just have to be brace yourself and just keep pressing on towards\n\n1286\n00:52:39.970 --> 00:52:40.960\nthe goal. That's,\n\n1287\n00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:45.840\nthat's all we can do. You know, there's no doubt that you're an incredible\n\n1288\n00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:46.160\ncompetitor.\n\n1289\n00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:49.490\nYou're a nice guy, fun guy. You like to laugh, but you like to win. I mean, you\n\n1290\n00:52:49.490 --> 00:52:50.800\nwere a competitor,\n\n1291\n00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:56.080\nchampion of foosball, a great golfer yourself. And saw a little bit of that\n\n1292\n00:52:56.080 --> 00:52:57.520\ncome out in the 2025\n\n1293\n00:52:57.520 --> 00:53:02.580\nRyder Cup when, when you and Justin Rose kind of got got through his tail. Tell\n\n1294\n00:53:02.580 --> 00:53:03.600\nus that story,\n\n1295\n00:53:03.600 --> 00:53:06.720\nwhat happened and the biggest lesson you learned from it.\n\n1296\n00:53:06.720 --> 00:53:11.840\nWe're in a obviously a very stressful environment. And everybody's being, you\n\n1297\n00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:12.480\nknow,\n\n1298\n00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:18.840\nas competitive as they can be and feisty and and Greg Bodine who caties for Bry\n\n1299\n00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:19.760\nson is the\n\n1300\n00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.060\nsweetest person who ever meet him. This guy, he would never say anything bad\n\n1301\n00:53:23.060 --> 00:53:23.680\nabout anybody.\n\n1302\n00:53:23.680 --> 00:53:29.440\nHe's huge. He's like six, five, 250 solid muscle. He's a big guy. And he was\n\n1303\n00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:30.160\nBryson was like,\n\n1304\n00:53:30.160 --> 00:53:33.070\nhey, you know, read this putt for me. So he was kind of going over to read the\n\n1305\n00:53:33.070 --> 00:53:33.360\nputt.\n\n1306\n00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:37.590\nAnd, and Justin felt like he was trying to get in his way. And he wasn't. I\n\n1307\n00:53:37.590 --> 00:53:39.120\nknow Greg really well.\n\n1308\n00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:42.780\nAnd so Justin kind of had words with him. And that, that made me mad. And so,\n\n1309\n00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:43.200\nyou know,\n\n1310\n00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:46.970\ncompetitive environment. So I had words with Justin as we were walking up the\n\n1311\n00:53:46.970 --> 00:53:47.680\nhill. And then\n\n1312\n00:53:47.680 --> 00:53:51.800\nTommy Fleetwood and I were talking, we were just talking to me. I had no\n\n1313\n00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:52.640\nproblem with Tommy.\n\n1314\n00:53:52.640 --> 00:53:57.070\nI was had a few words with Justin, whatever. And then as I was just talking to\n\n1315\n00:53:57.070 --> 00:53:57.600\nTommy,\n\n1316\n00:53:57.600 --> 00:54:01.360\nwalking up the hill, I think Francesco Malinari thought that we were in a huge\n\n1317\n00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:02.240\nheated argument.\n\n1318\n00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:06.510\nAnd he, he walked up and shoved me and kind of put his, his, his forearm in my\n\n1319\n00:54:06.510 --> 00:54:07.120\nrib cage.\n\n1320\n00:54:07.120 --> 00:54:10.800\nAnd, and I was so surprised because I didn't even know he was there. It's like\n\n1321\n00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:11.360\nhe just came out of\n\n1322\n00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.420\nnowhere. And, and then I got really mad and lost my temper. And then literally,\n\n1323\n00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:15.920\nright after it\n\n1324\n00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.560\nhappened, like two minutes, literally two minutes afterwards, I was apologizing\n\n1325\n00:54:19.560 --> 00:54:20.240\nto him. He was\n\n1326\n00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:22.920\napologizing to me. I was like, I'm so sorry. And he was like, I hope you know\n\n1327\n00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:23.440\nmy character.\n\n1328\n00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.240\nI said, I hope you know my character, man. I'm just fired up in this\n\n1329\n00:54:26.240 --> 00:54:27.360\ncompetitive environment.\n\n1330\n00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.820\nAnd then we made a social media video the next day because social media was\n\n1331\n00:54:30.820 --> 00:54:31.680\nblowing up and trying\n\n1332\n00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:35.030\nto blow it out of proportion. I'm like, I love Francesco Malinari. He might be\n\n1333\n00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:35.840\nthe nicest man\n\n1334\n00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:41.200\nyou'll ever meet. He's such a great guy. And, and then I saw Justin Rose at the\n\n1335\n00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:41.840\nhero world\n\n1336\n00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.600\nchallenge, you know, in December and we talked and we shook hands and you know,\n\n1337\n00:54:45.600 --> 00:54:46.320\nit's all good. It's\n\n1338\n00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.780\njust competitors being competitors and people want to blow stuff out of\n\n1339\n00:54:49.780 --> 00:54:51.360\nproportion, whatever,\n\n1340\n00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.460\nyou know, take the story, run with it, make something of it that's not. But at\n\n1341\n00:54:54.460 --> 00:54:55.600\nthe end of the day,\n\n1342\n00:54:55.600 --> 00:54:58.400\nyou know, we're all feisty and we're all trying to compete and do the best we\n\n1343\n00:54:58.400 --> 00:54:59.600\ncan. And, and they\n\n1344\n00:54:59.600 --> 00:55:03.080\ngot the best of us. So congrats to them, you know. And, you know, I love the\n\n1345\n00:55:03.080 --> 00:55:04.000\nfact how you and\n\n1346\n00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:08.310\nFrancesco got together and said, Hey, we don't want to have this come off any\n\n1347\n00:55:08.310 --> 00:55:08.720\nother way. And you\n\n1348\n00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:14.000\ndid the social media today. How did that happen? I was feeling horrible about\n\n1349\n00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.520\nthe situation because,\n\n1350\n00:55:15.520 --> 00:55:19.490\nyou know, it's like, everybody was talking about it. And I was like, I don't\n\n1351\n00:55:19.490 --> 00:55:20.320\nwant this. I'm not trying\n\n1352\n00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.340\nto be the spotlight. I'm not trying to, you know, make make it seem like we're\n\n1353\n00:55:24.340 --> 00:55:25.440\nrighteous or whatever.\n\n1354\n00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.760\nAnd what Justin did was wrong. I'm like, Hey, we're competing. You know, I got\n\n1355\n00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:29.760\nfired up and I\n\n1356\n00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:33.360\nlove to just say, Hey, I'm sorry. I want to go in front of the public and say,\n\n1357\n00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:34.880\nI'm sorry. So I got\n\n1358\n00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:38.020\nFrancesco's number from one of the caddies. And I said, Hey, look, tomorrow I'm\n\n1359\n00:55:38.020 --> 00:55:38.960\ngoing to go make a\n\n1360\n00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.320\nvideo. And I'm going to say, I'm sorry to you. I would love for you to be in\n\n1361\n00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:43.600\nthe video. And\n\n1362\n00:55:43.600 --> 00:55:46.590\nwhat a great man. He was like, I'd love to be in your video, you know, and that\n\n1363\n00:55:46.590 --> 00:55:47.440\njust shows again,\n\n1364\n00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:51.680\nlike what a great person he is that he would go in there and do that with me.\n\n1365\n00:55:51.680 --> 00:55:52.880\nAnd so I think people\n\n1366\n00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.340\nforget, man, the competition is fierce. You know, you're a warrior out there\n\n1367\n00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:57.280\nand people do dumb\n\n1368\n00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.630\nstuff. And I'm included. I've done terrible things that I'm not proud of. But,\n\n1369\n00:56:01.630 --> 00:56:02.640\nbut at the end of the\n\n1370\n00:56:02.640 --> 00:56:06.500\nday, I think, you know, I can hone up to those things and say I'm sorry and\n\n1371\n00:56:06.500 --> 00:56:07.520\nhope people forgive\n\n1372\n00:56:07.520 --> 00:56:11.570\nme. And believe it or not, I mean, I had a few death threats from that people\n\n1373\n00:56:11.570 --> 00:56:12.560\nliterally sent me\n\n1374\n00:56:12.560 --> 00:56:15.260\nsome death threats on social media. I'm not even kidding. Like, this is kind of\n\n1375\n00:56:15.260 --> 00:56:15.920\ncrazy. I was like,\n\n1376\n00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.180\nwhat is going on? You know, you know, at the end of the day, Francesco and I\n\n1377\n00:56:19.180 --> 00:56:19.920\nare great. You know,\n\n1378\n00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:25.360\nwe still sometimes text and he's a great person. And, and so all is well. And,\n\n1379\n00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:25.920\nyou know, we live\n\n1380\n00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:29.410\nand we learn and hopefully I'll do better next time in that situation. Sounds\n\n1381\n00:56:29.410 --> 00:56:30.160\nlike you did pretty\n\n1382\n00:56:30.160 --> 00:56:35.220\nwell. You know, you recall, you know, a lot of times you do have to do your\n\n1383\n00:56:35.220 --> 00:56:36.800\npart to get things\n\n1384\n00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:41.060\nback in order. And sounds like you did that. You know, here you are. Now you're\n\n1385\n00:56:41.060 --> 00:56:41.840\nready to tee it\n\n1386\n00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:48.630\nup again at the Masters. And you've won twice. How do you, how does the Sheff\n\n1387\n00:56:48.630 --> 00:56:49.520\nler team, you and\n\n1388\n00:56:49.520 --> 00:56:53.600\nScotty, how do you, how do you manage your high expectations? Because you're\n\n1389\n00:56:53.600 --> 00:56:54.960\nnot, you're not going\n\n1390\n00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.010\nin there to do anything other than win. Most people think you are going to win.\n\n1391\n00:56:58.010 --> 00:56:58.640\nAnd how do you,\n\n1392\n00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:02.280\nhow do you keep that in check and keep things balanced? Yeah, that's a\n\n1393\n00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:03.760\nsuperpower that he has.\n\n1394\n00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.840\nAnd I don't think many people have it. Scotty's never been a record chaser. He\n\n1395\n00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:08.960\ndoesn't talk about,\n\n1396\n00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.420\nI'm going to win so many majors. I'm going to talk about this. I mean, that guy\n\n1397\n00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:13.280\nliterally just wants\n\n1398\n00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.950\nto win at anything he does. And he loves it. He loves to compete. If you're in\n\n1399\n00:57:17.950 --> 00:57:18.720\nthe backyard in\n\n1400\n00:57:18.720 --> 00:57:22.290\nthe pool and there's a volleyball net, he's like, get a volleyball, two versus\n\n1401\n00:57:22.290 --> 00:57:23.200\ntwo. And I'm going to\n\n1402\n00:57:23.200 --> 00:57:26.000\ncrush you, you know, and that's just who he is. So he shows up at every\n\n1403\n00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:27.120\ntournament with high\n\n1404\n00:57:27.120 --> 00:57:31.250\nexpectations to compete well. And it's crazy. But I would say he brings the\n\n1405\n00:57:31.250 --> 00:57:32.640\nsame intensity to\n\n1406\n00:57:32.640 --> 00:57:35.840\nthe Byron Nelson that he brings to the Masters Championship. It's just, it's\n\n1407\n00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:36.480\npretty wild. But\n\n1408\n00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:41.360\nthat's just who he is. So it's a blessing to work for somebody like that. And I\n\n1409\n00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:42.400\nthink he also doesn't\n\n1410\n00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:46.840\ncare about money. He doesn't care about fame. You know, he really doesn't. It's\n\n1411\n00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:47.520\nlike you watch\n\n1412\n00:57:47.520 --> 00:57:50.640\nthe guy's life away from golf and you think, man, buy yourself something, dude,\n\n1413\n00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:51.040\nlike her,\n\n1414\n00:57:51.040 --> 00:57:53.990\nyou know, he was driving that old car with duct tape on the steering wheel and\n\n1415\n00:57:53.990 --> 00:57:54.640\nduct tape on the\n\n1416\n00:57:54.640 --> 00:57:59.330\nhandle to close the door. It had 180,000 miles on it. And he was in the world\n\n1417\n00:57:59.330 --> 00:58:00.480\nnumber one and two-time\n\n1418\n00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.390\nMasters champion. You're like, buddy, like, give rid of that old clunker at\n\n1419\n00:58:03.390 --> 00:58:04.240\nleast. Get yourself\n\n1420\n00:58:04.240 --> 00:58:07.160\nsomething, you know, but he's like, I don't care. It still works. You know, so\n\n1421\n00:58:07.160 --> 00:58:08.320\nhe doesn't have that\n\n1422\n00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:11.760\ndistraction that I think a lot of people have like, Oh, I'm number one or, Oh,\n\n1423\n00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:12.480\nI want to win the\n\n1424\n00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:17.570\nmoney or Oh, I want to do these records. He has this great crazy ability to say\n\n1425\n00:58:17.570 --> 00:58:19.040\n, I want to crush you\n\n1426\n00:58:19.040 --> 00:58:22.300\nin, you know, a game of cards. I want to crush you in a game of backyard\n\n1427\n00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:23.440\nbasketball. I want to\n\n1428\n00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.900\ncrush you in a game of, of, you know, whatever golf. So that's just a\n\n1429\n00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:28.720\nsuperpower that he has. So it's\n\n1430\n00:58:28.720 --> 00:58:31.710\npretty, I'd say he's really good at that. You know, that's a, that's a great\n\n1431\n00:58:31.710 --> 00:58:32.400\nthing. And then\n\n1432\n00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.260\nfinally, he doesn't really get on social media much, you know, so he's not\n\n1433\n00:58:36.260 --> 00:58:36.960\nreally reading all\n\n1434\n00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:41.010\nthe stories and, and listening to all the noise, you know, it's, it's, it's,\n\n1435\n00:58:41.010 --> 00:58:42.240\nget rid of all that\n\n1436\n00:58:42.240 --> 00:58:45.380\nclear, you know, that cloudiness and let me do it because I want to do it. So\n\n1437\n00:58:45.380 --> 00:58:46.720\nthat really helps,\n\n1438\n00:58:46.720 --> 00:58:50.000\nyou know, for me to be able to caddy for someone with that mentality, it's, it\n\n1439\n00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.440\n's not that difficult.\n\n1440\n00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:55.120\nAlthough being the world number one is very noisy. So there is a lot of noise,\n\n1441\n00:58:55.120 --> 00:58:55.680\nbut he's,\n\n1442\n00:58:55.680 --> 00:58:59.040\nhe's the best I've seen it at being equipped to do that since Tiger.\n\n1443\n00:58:59.040 --> 00:59:03.000\nTed, he's the first to say that you're the best that in the world of what you\n\n1444\n00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:04.080\ndo too. You know,\n\n1445\n00:59:04.080 --> 00:59:07.940\nand this has been so much fun. And I want to have some more with what I call my\n\n1446\n00:59:07.940 --> 00:59:08.640\nlightning round\n\n1447\n00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:12.630\nof questions here. Are you ready for this? Oh man, here we go. What three words\n\n1448\n00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:13.920\nbest describe you?\n\n1449\n00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:22.170\nEnergetic, silly, and I'd say spiritual. If you could be one person for a day\n\n1450\n00:59:22.170 --> 00:59:23.040\nbeside yourself,\n\n1451\n00:59:23.040 --> 00:59:26.630\nwho would it be? I would want to be one of the disciples that walked with Jesus\n\n1452\n00:59:26.630 --> 00:59:26.880\n.\n\n1453\n00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.240\nWhat's your biggest pet peeve? People that drive slow in the left lane.\n\n1454\n00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:35.120\nWho would play you in a movie? Oh man, I'm not trivial. So I don't even know\n\n1455\n00:59:35.120 --> 00:59:35.600\nthe names of\n\n1456\n00:59:35.600 --> 00:59:39.200\nactors. Probably Tim Carey. If you use that, I kind of modeled my behavior\n\n1457\n00:59:39.200 --> 00:59:39.760\nafter him for a\n\n1458\n00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.670\nlong time. He's a funny dude. So what do you do with all the 18th hole flags\n\n1459\n00:59:44.670 --> 00:59:45.600\nthat you take after\n\n1460\n00:59:45.600 --> 00:59:48.750\nyou've won a tournament? There's a couple of them you can kind of see in the\n\n1461\n00:59:48.750 --> 00:59:49.600\nbackground right there.\n\n1462\n00:59:49.600 --> 00:59:54.160\nI got a few of them on the polls that I that I took. But a lot of them are just\n\n1463\n00:59:54.160 --> 00:59:54.800\nin my closet.\n\n1464\n00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:58.480\nOne day I'm going to have a display, a little man cave and put it up there.\n\n1465\n00:59:58.480 --> 00:59:59.520\nMaybe a golf\n\n1466\n00:59:59.520 --> 01:00:03.360\nteaching center or something. But for now it's just sitting there in my closet.\n\n1467\n01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:08.480\nWhat's something you've been curious about lately that has absolutely nothing\n\n1468\n01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:09.680\nto do with work?\n\n1469\n01:00:09.680 --> 01:00:13.640\nPickleball has got my attention, man. I'm really trying to get great at pickle\n\n1470\n01:00:13.640 --> 01:00:13.840\nball.\n\n1471\n01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.700\nSo I'm trying to go pro pickleball now. What's the one thing you do just for\n\n1472\n01:00:17.700 --> 01:00:18.160\nyou?\n\n1473\n01:00:18.160 --> 01:00:21.760\nPickleball. I like pickleball. I don't do it to try to impress anybody else. It\n\n1474\n01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:22.160\n's just it's\n\n1475\n01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:27.220\nreally fun competition. And I have a lot of good really fun people that I laugh\n\n1476\n01:00:27.220 --> 01:00:28.000\nwith and trash talk\n\n1477\n01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.300\nwith. And I go and get get build up with that. It's a lot of fun. Besides your\n\n1478\n01:00:32.300 --> 01:00:33.520\nfamily and friends,\n\n1479\n01:00:33.520 --> 01:00:36.980\nwhat's your most prized possession? People are what I enjoy the most you know\n\n1480\n01:00:36.980 --> 01:00:37.840\nbeing around people.\n\n1481\n01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.860\nThings don't really don't really get me hyped up. I think it's mostly just just\n\n1482\n01:00:41.860 --> 01:00:42.800\npeople.\n\n1483\n01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.410\nIf I turn the radio on in your car, what would I hear? Christian music. You'd\n\n1484\n01:00:46.410 --> 01:00:47.120\nhear some country\n\n1485\n01:00:47.120 --> 01:00:50.980\ntoo. And every now and then some Christian rap. What's something about you that\n\n1486\n01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:51.680\nfew people would\n\n1487\n01:00:51.680 --> 01:00:56.800\nknow that I'm deep down. I'm insecure. What's one of your daily rituals\n\n1488\n01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:58.480\nsomething that you never miss?\n\n1489\n01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.940\nTrying to serve somebody else. Fantastic. All right. We're out of that\n\n1490\n01:01:01.940 --> 01:01:02.480\nlightning round.\n\n1491\n01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:07.120\nGood job. Dead. Just a few more questions. And I'll let you go. Now, outside of\n\n1492\n01:01:07.120 --> 01:01:07.520\ncaddying,\n\n1493\n01:01:07.520 --> 01:01:15.200\nI understand you also own a company that makes pickleball paddles. And you know\n\n1494\n01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:15.200\n,\n\n1495\n01:01:15.200 --> 01:01:18.880\nhow'd you get into that business? Yeah. So when I started playing pickleball,\n\n1496\n01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.240\nwhich Scotty actually introduced me to it, I noticed that all the paddles were\n\n1497\n01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:22.800\njust ugly.\n\n1498\n01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:27.680\nThey were just boring. And so I told my wife, I said, you know, we should just\n\n1499\n01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:28.080\nkind of joke.\n\n1500\n01:01:28.080 --> 01:01:30.560\nAnd we should make pickleball paddles. And you could do some artwork because\n\n1501\n01:01:30.560 --> 01:01:31.600\nshe's pretty artistic.\n\n1502\n01:01:31.600 --> 01:01:35.060\nAnd talk to some friends of mine that are in manufacturing. And next thing you\n\n1503\n01:01:35.060 --> 01:01:35.280\nknow,\n\n1504\n01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:39.290\nwe had a meeting and we said, let's just do it. And so we made Ryder Cup padd\n\n1505\n01:01:39.290 --> 01:01:40.160\nles. That was our\n\n1506\n01:01:40.160 --> 01:01:44.020\nfirst paddle we made was gifts for the Ryder Cup caddies and players. And you\n\n1507\n01:01:44.020 --> 01:01:45.120\nknow, when we were\n\n1508\n01:01:45.120 --> 01:01:49.180\nin Italy, and so that was how we got started. And we're chipping away at it. We\n\n1509\n01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:49.600\n're learning,\n\n1510\n01:01:49.600 --> 01:01:53.460\nyou know, we're a small company. And all of us have the three owners. We all\n\n1511\n01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:54.800\nhave our own businesses\n\n1512\n01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.040\nand jobs and things like that. And my other two partners are very successful.\n\n1513\n01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:00.480\nSo we're, you know,\n\n1514\n01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:04.490\nit's a little bit on the hobby side, but we enjoy having fun with it. And we're\n\n1515\n01:02:04.490 --> 01:02:05.120\ndefinitely growing.\n\n1516\n01:02:05.120 --> 01:02:08.720\nSo that's kind of been cool. And then this believe hat is one of our hats. It's\n\n1517\n01:02:08.720 --> 01:02:09.680\nour brand,\n\n1518\n01:02:09.680 --> 01:02:14.820\nDominus brand. So yeah, it's been fun, really enjoying it. You and your wife,\n\n1519\n01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:15.440\nMelanie have been\n\n1520\n01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.500\nmarried for 23 years. What's the key to making that partnership work? Yeah, we\n\n1521\n01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:21.120\ngot premarital\n\n1522\n01:02:21.120 --> 01:02:25.200\ncounseling. And the first thing that we were told was, Hey, don't go to bed\n\n1523\n01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:26.160\nangry, you know,\n\n1524\n01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:29.310\nnever ever go to bed angry. So communication being like, Hey, man, I have a\n\n1525\n01:02:29.310 --> 01:02:30.000\nproblem with you. And we\n\n1526\n01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.770\nneed to discuss this. Two is never bring up the past. So that's something we\n\n1527\n01:02:33.770 --> 01:02:35.360\ndon't do. I can't say,\n\n1528\n01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.640\nwell, last Thursday, you said this and remember when you did that. So every day\n\n1529\n01:02:38.640 --> 01:02:39.440\nis a fresh start,\n\n1530\n01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.720\nwhich I think is a great life philosophy. You know, yes, I messed up at the\n\n1531\n01:02:42.720 --> 01:02:44.160\nRyder Cup by getting angry\n\n1532\n01:02:44.160 --> 01:02:47.830\nin and showing my idiot side in front of all these people. But guess what?\n\n1533\n01:02:47.830 --> 01:02:48.960\nToday's a new day. And I\n\n1534\n01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.000\ndon't have to be that person, even if people try to label me that way. I don't\n\n1535\n01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:52.800\nhave to be a jerk\n\n1536\n01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:56.920\nto my wife today because I was a jerk yesterday. You know, so being fresh is\n\n1537\n01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:58.400\nreally good. And then\n\n1538\n01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:02.530\nI would say keeping your finances in order, you know, we had a policy where we\n\n1539\n01:03:02.530 --> 01:03:03.600\nnever took on debt,\n\n1540\n01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:07.200\nwe never have, you know, we were super poor, we got married and many years\n\n1541\n01:03:07.200 --> 01:03:08.320\nwithout much money,\n\n1542\n01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.780\nbut we were super happy because we never put ourselves under financial stress.\n\n1543\n01:03:11.780 --> 01:03:12.720\nSo I would say\n\n1544\n01:03:12.720 --> 01:03:17.360\nliving under your means. And then the final and number one key is to put God at\n\n1545\n01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:17.920\nthe top of your\n\n1546\n01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:21.520\ntriangle. You know, we were given an analogy that if there's a triangle and God\n\n1547\n01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:22.400\n's at the top and\n\n1548\n01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.370\nyou're here and your wife's here and you're, you're getting closer to God, you\n\n1549\n01:03:25.370 --> 01:03:25.680\n're getting\n\n1550\n01:03:25.680 --> 01:03:29.140\ncloser to each other. So we're both pursuing God and that's bringing us closer\n\n1551\n01:03:29.140 --> 01:03:29.840\nto each other. So\n\n1552\n01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:32.960\nthat's probably our number one principle. Well, thanks for sharing that. And\n\n1553\n01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:33.920\nyou have two young\n\n1554\n01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:39.280\nkids. How do you lead at home Ted? Yeah, that's that's hard with my job. You\n\n1555\n01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:39.920\nknow, when I when\n\n1556\n01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:44.700\nI come home, I mess up the routine that my wife has established. So so we've we\n\n1557\n01:03:44.700 --> 01:03:45.760\n've worked on that\n\n1558\n01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:48.830\nover the years to be like, hey, you know, she has the routine established and I\n\n1559\n01:03:48.830 --> 01:03:50.080\ncome home and try to\n\n1560\n01:03:50.080 --> 01:03:54.080\ntry to support her and what she's got running really well because she runs real\n\n1561\n01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:55.040\ngreat old type\n\n1562\n01:03:55.040 --> 01:03:58.720\nmachine. But my daughter's in college now she's 19. My son's a sophomore in\n\n1563\n01:03:58.720 --> 01:03:59.920\nhigh school and then\n\n1564\n01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:03.880\nwe have an 11 year old nephew that lives with us. So so yeah, we're we're a\n\n1565\n01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:05.040\nbusy family and, you know,\n\n1566\n01:04:05.040 --> 01:04:09.430\nwith sports and and life, it kind of takes us all over. But we're, you know, we\n\n1567\n01:04:09.430 --> 01:04:10.720\ngot great kids and\n\n1568\n01:04:10.720 --> 01:04:14.360\nand we're very thankful for them. And I'm super thankful for my wife. She she\n\n1569\n01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.120\nruns the show and\n\n1570\n01:04:15.120 --> 01:04:19.320\nshe she crushes it. So she's she's amazing. So here you are. You know, you've\n\n1571\n01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:21.200\nwon multiple majors as a\n\n1572\n01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:25.920\ncaddy and Olympic gold, Ryder Cup's, President's Cup's. What do you see as your\n\n1573\n01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.040\nyour your personal\n\n1574\n01:04:27.040 --> 01:04:31.440\nunfinished business? Many people have told me that I need to be in some kind of\n\n1575\n01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:32.080\nministry,\n\n1576\n01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:37.150\nbe a pastor, some kind of mentorship program. You know, just because I've spent\n\n1577\n01:04:37.150 --> 01:04:37.600\nmy life trying\n\n1578\n01:04:37.600 --> 01:04:42.840\nto learn from people. And I think I love to just share those those nuggets of\n\n1579\n01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.480\nwisdom that I've learned\n\n1580\n01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.380\nthat you can apply to your life. And and I certainly don't apply them all to my\n\n1581\n01:04:48.380 --> 01:04:50.000\nlife. You know, I mess\n\n1582\n01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:52.760\nup a lot, I screw up a lot, but I'm always trying to learn. I'm always trying\n\n1583\n01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:53.760\nto pick myself up and\n\n1584\n01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.040\nget better as a dad, as a husband, as a caddy, as a pickleball player, as a gol\n\n1585\n01:04:58.040 --> 01:04:59.040\nfer. You know,\n\n1586\n01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:03.460\nso for me, I think the unfinished business is is really just to be a light to\n\n1587\n01:05:03.460 --> 01:05:04.720\npeople and counsel\n\n1588\n01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:08.650\nthem and help them in whatever endeavor that that they're going through. I love\n\n1589\n01:05:08.650 --> 01:05:09.760\nthat. And I think I\n\n1590\n01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.110\nhave, you know, a gift for it because people are always trying to share with me\n\n1591\n01:05:13.110 --> 01:05:13.840\ntheir deepest\n\n1592\n01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:17.330\ndarkest struggles. And they're like, you know, can you help me? And I'm like, I\n\n1593\n01:05:17.330 --> 01:05:18.640\nlove that. So I\n\n1594\n01:05:18.640 --> 01:05:22.220\nthink when I'm done caddying, I'll try to resort to that some way. Last\n\n1595\n01:05:22.220 --> 01:05:24.320\nquestion. What's one piece\n\n1596\n01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:29.600\nof advice you want to give to anyone who wants to be a better leader? Don't be\n\n1597\n01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:30.480\nthe expert in the\n\n1598\n01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:34.760\nroom. I just go back to that again. You know, the easiest way to get better,\n\n1599\n01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:35.840\nthe easiest way to\n\n1600\n01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:41.230\nlead is to is to follow someone great. And I think people, no one wants to\n\n1601\n01:05:41.230 --> 01:05:42.800\nfollow somebody that's\n\n1602\n01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:47.110\narrogant. You know, I forget who it was. It says leadership is influence. You\n\n1603\n01:05:47.110 --> 01:05:48.320\nknow, it's John\n\n1604\n01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:52.990\nwho is it max actual leadership is influence. So if you have influence over\n\n1605\n01:05:52.990 --> 01:05:54.240\npeople in your\n\n1606\n01:05:54.240 --> 01:05:57.750\nhumility to say, Hey, I don't know everything, but I'm following some people\n\n1607\n01:05:57.750 --> 01:05:58.720\nthat know a lot.\n\n1608\n01:05:58.720 --> 01:06:01.840\nSo when you come with me, I think they'll follow you. And I think that's really\n\n1609\n01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:02.480\nwhat makes a great\n\n1610\n01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:07.540\nleader. Anytime I've ever met somebody that's amazing. They're usually the most\n\n1611\n01:06:07.540 --> 01:06:08.160\nhumble person I've\n\n1612\n01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:11.370\never met. And Scottish Jefferson, one of those people, this guy is so willing\n\n1613\n01:06:11.370 --> 01:06:12.320\nto learn from people.\n\n1614\n01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:15.920\nAnd I just go, wow, no wonder he's so good at golf because he will ask the\n\n1615\n01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.120\nquestion. He will get\n\n1616\n01:06:17.120 --> 01:06:19.830\naround somebody good and go, Hey, how do you approach that? What do you do here\n\n1617\n01:06:19.830 --> 01:06:20.000\n?\n\n1618\n01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.030\nTell me about this. What do you think about that? And I'm just like, Oh my gosh\n\n1619\n01:06:23.030 --> 01:06:23.600\n, you're the best\n\n1620\n01:06:23.600 --> 01:06:27.180\ngolfer in the world. And you're having a meeting with four hackers asking them\n\n1621\n01:06:27.180 --> 01:06:28.000\nhow to get better\n\n1622\n01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.630\ngolf. Like what, you know, but that's the humility that makes me want to follow\n\n1623\n01:06:31.630 --> 01:06:32.480\nhim and continue to\n\n1624\n01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:35.940\nbe on his team. So I think that's a big part of being a leader is don't be the\n\n1625\n01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:36.800\nexpert in the room\n\n1626\n01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:41.860\nand don't be afraid to show that vulnerability. Well, Ted, I have to tell you,\n\n1627\n01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:42.720\nyou are an amazing\n\n1628\n01:06:42.720 --> 01:06:46.240\nleader. And I've learned a lot from this conversation. And I want to thank you\n\n1629\n01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:47.440\nso much for taking the\n\n1630\n01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:53.090\ntime to be on this show. And yeah, especially with everything you got going on.\n\n1631\n01:06:53.090 --> 01:06:53.600\nAnd I really\n\n1632\n01:06:53.600 --> 01:06:55.840\nappreciate you. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it.\n\n1633\n01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:06.400\nDavid, what a fun episode. It makes me so excited for the masters in a couple\n\n1634\n01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:07.200\nof weeks.\n\n1635\n01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:12.480\nOh, absolutely. It's a favorite time of year for every golfer and people who\n\n1636\n01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:13.440\naren't necessarily\n\n1637\n01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:20.060\ninto golf because they love watching the masters and spring emerging in front\n\n1638\n01:07:20.060 --> 01:07:21.520\nof your very eyes.\n\n1639\n01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:27.820\nAnd the beauty of that place is just amazing. Gusta National Golf Course is one\n\n1640\n01:07:27.820 --> 01:07:28.560\nof a kind and\n\n1641\n01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:33.920\nthe tournaments one of a kind and can't wait. I can't wait either. And it is an\n\n1642\n01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:35.760\namazing time for golfers\n\n1643\n01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:39.920\nand non golfers alike. And what I love about this episode with Ted is that\n\n1644\n01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:40.640\nobviously he's a\n\n1645\n01:07:40.640 --> 01:07:44.640\ncaddy. He's been caddying for 29 years, but the lessons that he shares in this\n\n1646\n01:07:44.640 --> 01:07:45.280\nepisode are\n\n1647\n01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.840\napplicable to anybody wherever you find yourself, whether it's in a leadership\n\n1648\n01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.080\nposition or whether\n\n1649\n01:07:50.080 --> 01:07:53.750\nit's, you know, an athlete on a team or maybe you're a caddy too. And you're\n\n1650\n01:07:53.750 --> 01:07:54.880\njust wanting to learn\n\n1651\n01:07:54.880 --> 01:08:00.180\nfrom Ted. Obviously, he has reached the greatest level of caddy ship that you\n\n1652\n01:08:00.180 --> 01:08:01.600\ncould possibly reach.\n\n1653\n01:08:01.600 --> 01:08:05.750\nHe's won four masters tournaments and is currently on the bag for the number\n\n1654\n01:08:05.750 --> 01:08:06.800\none player in the world.\n\n1655\n01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.260\nAnd David, I want to get your take on some of the concepts that you two talked\n\n1656\n01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:11.360\nabout in the episode\n\n1657\n01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.860\nso that everyone listening, whether you're a golfer or not, can take something\n\n1658\n01:08:14.860 --> 01:08:15.840\nreally practical\n\n1659\n01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.080\naway from this episode. The first thing I want to start with David is this idea\n\n1660\n01:08:20.080 --> 01:08:21.200\nof delivering\n\n1661\n01:08:21.200 --> 01:08:26.260\ninformation in the right way. Ted mentions that he finds out early on in his\n\n1662\n01:08:26.260 --> 01:08:26.560\nrelationship with\n\n1663\n01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:31.210\nplayers, how they like to receive information. For example, when he caddied for\n\n1664\n01:08:31.210 --> 01:08:31.840\nBaba Watson,\n\n1665\n01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:36.480\nmore information made things worse for Baba, but Scotty wants all the details\n\n1666\n01:08:36.480 --> 01:08:37.440\nat all times.\n\n1667\n01:08:37.440 --> 01:08:42.670\nAs a leader, how do you figure out how each person on your team likes to\n\n1668\n01:08:42.670 --> 01:08:44.480\nreceive information? And\n\n1669\n01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:49.540\nwhy is it important to know? I think what Ted really drives home is the\n\n1670\n01:08:49.540 --> 01:08:50.240\nimportance of really\n\n1671\n01:08:50.240 --> 01:08:56.260\nhaving empathy for who you work with and understanding what the team member\n\n1672\n01:08:56.260 --> 01:08:56.480\nreally\n\n1673\n01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:59.980\nneeds and then making sure that they receive it in a way that they'll actually\n\n1674\n01:08:59.980 --> 01:09:00.720\nhear it and\n\n1675\n01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:12.590\nrespond to it. I've always tried to study the best ways to deliver feedback and\n\n1676\n01:09:12.590 --> 01:09:13.680\ninformation.\n\n1677\n01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:19.040\nAnd I learned so much from Larry Sin, who has this model, which he says always\n\n1678\n01:09:19.040 --> 01:09:19.680\nstart out with\n\n1679\n01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:25.120\nwhat you appreciate about what the person is doing, and then share and how they\n\n1680\n01:09:25.120 --> 01:09:25.520\ncould be\n\n1681\n01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:29.680\neven more effective. And that appreciate more effective model, I think is a\n\n1682\n01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.520\ngreat way to communicate\n\n1683\n01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:37.170\nto everybody in a general business sense. The other thing that I learned from a\n\n1684\n01:09:37.170 --> 01:09:38.240\nbusiness perspective\n\n1685\n01:09:38.240 --> 01:09:42.410\nis just there's real power and going up to someone and saying, would you like\n\n1686\n01:09:42.410 --> 01:09:43.280\nsome coaching?\n\n1687\n01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:51.200\nThat gives you the opportunity to weigh in, but it also forces a commitment\n\n1688\n01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:57.920\nfrom the person to say yes or no, but if they say yes, they got to open their\n\n1689\n01:09:57.920 --> 01:09:59.200\nmind to really\n\n1690\n01:09:59.200 --> 01:10:06.360\nreceiving it. So I really think that really works. Some people are very, very\n\n1691\n01:10:06.360 --> 01:10:07.200\nsensitive,\n\n1692\n01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:13.040\nand so you have to kind of work your way into it before you can really give\n\n1693\n01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:14.880\nthem the coaching\n\n1694\n01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:19.940\nthat they need. Other people are just direct, and they want you to come at it\n\n1695\n01:10:19.940 --> 01:10:20.720\ndirect. And\n\n1696\n01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:26.370\nso I think that empathy, though, is the key trait that Ted is really talking\n\n1697\n01:10:26.370 --> 01:10:27.520\nabout here.\n\n1698\n01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:32.210\nAs a caddy, it feels like Ted has this innate ability to read the room and to\n\n1699\n01:10:32.210 --> 01:10:33.280\nknow when to step\n\n1700\n01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:38.340\nin and offer that directness and when to just take a step back and let Scotty\n\n1701\n01:10:38.340 --> 01:10:39.280\nbe Scotty.\n\n1702\n01:10:39.280 --> 01:10:45.040\nHow do you develop the skill of reading people in that sense of knowing when to\n\n1703\n01:10:45.040 --> 01:10:46.480\nstep in versus not?\n\n1704\n01:10:46.480 --> 01:10:51.600\nI think, cool, that really boils down to what's going to happen if you don't\n\n1705\n01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:53.440\nstep in. If that\n\n1706\n01:10:53.440 --> 01:10:59.490\nperson's going to fail without you stepping in, you better step in. And I think\n\n1707\n01:10:59.490 --> 01:11:01.040\nthat's one of the\n\n1708\n01:11:01.040 --> 01:11:06.850\nthings I would always try to really gauge is I like to give people as much\n\n1709\n01:11:06.850 --> 01:11:08.480\nautonomy as you can.\n\n1710\n01:11:09.120 --> 01:11:13.520\nBut if you see them going down a path where they're going to fail and they're\n\n1711\n01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:14.480\ngoing to lose personally\n\n1712\n01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:18.410\nor the company might lose because of that, I think that's when you really have\n\n1713\n01:11:18.410 --> 01:11:19.840\nto step in and\n\n1714\n01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:26.550\nprovide some coaching that will be helpful. And on a personal basis with some\n\n1715\n01:11:26.550 --> 01:11:27.840\nleaders,\n\n1716\n01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:34.760\nI would see derailing because they were maybe not treating people the way how\n\n1717\n01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:35.680\nthey needed to\n\n1718\n01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:39.780\ntreat them or maybe they weren't communicating this as clearly as they needed\n\n1719\n01:11:39.780 --> 01:11:40.880\nto or maybe they had\n\n1720\n01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:45.520\nso many priorities, they couldn't get things done. These are all reasons why\n\n1721\n01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:46.880\npeople would fail.\n\n1722\n01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.880\nThat's when I would really be very, very direct because you want to make sure\n\n1723\n01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:56.880\nthat it's inescapable what you're really trying to communicate to them.\n\n1724\n01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:04.610\nAnd I always liken it to hitting somebody with a 2x4. You're going to remember\n\n1725\n01:12:04.610 --> 01:12:04.880\nit.\n\n1726\n01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:11.060\nOkay, not that I would ever do that or want to be that rude, but I think you do\n\n1727\n01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:11.760\nwant to be that\n\n1728\n01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:17.610\ndirect sometimes where it's just totally, totally inescapable for anyone to\n\n1729\n01:12:17.610 --> 01:12:17.840\ndraw\n\n1730\n01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.840\nany other conclusion that if they don't change, they're going to fail.\n\n1731\n01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:26.900\nIn the episode, I love the story Ted tells about when Scottie was competing in\n\n1732\n01:12:26.900 --> 01:12:28.000\nthe Olympics and how\n\n1733\n01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:33.840\nhe had had a couple double bogeys and just couldn't get his mind right. And Ted\n\n1734\n01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:35.360\nsaid that he kind of\n\n1735\n01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:37.900\ngot in his face and said, \"I want you to do three things and I want you to do\n\n1736\n01:12:37.900 --> 01:12:38.720\nthese three things.\"\n\n1737\n01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.680\nAnd that's all I want you to think about. And at that point, I think he birdied\n\n1738\n01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:42.480\nthe next hole and\n\n1739\n01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:46.240\nthen went on, of course, to win the gold medal. Yeah, and I wanted him to tell\n\n1740\n01:12:46.240 --> 01:12:46.880\nme those three\n\n1741\n01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:50.740\nthings when he wouldn't do it because he's giveaway his trade secrets. Yeah,\n\n1742\n01:12:50.740 --> 01:12:52.400\nexactly. I think all\n\n1743\n01:12:52.400 --> 01:12:56.060\nof us golfers would love for Ted to give us those three things. What strikes me\n\n1744\n01:12:56.060 --> 01:12:56.720\nabout Ted is that\n\n1745\n01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.810\nhe has this belief deep down that everyone around him has something to teach\n\n1746\n01:13:00.810 --> 01:13:01.280\nhim.\n\n1747\n01:13:01.280 --> 01:13:05.620\nIs there a story about a time you learned something from someone you didn't\n\n1748\n01:13:05.620 --> 01:13:06.560\nexpect to learn from?\n\n1749\n01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:11.630\nOh, I have thousands of stories like that. I mean, you know, it's because I'm\n\n1750\n01:13:11.630 --> 01:13:12.400\nalways learning\n\n1751\n01:13:12.400 --> 01:13:18.160\nfrom everybody that I talk to. But I want to go back to what you said is that\n\n1752\n01:13:18.160 --> 01:13:19.040\nTed has a deep\n\n1753\n01:13:19.040 --> 01:13:22.960\ndown belief that he can learn from everyone. And I think that's the most\n\n1754\n01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:24.400\nimportant thing is you\n\n1755\n01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:28.800\ngot to have that belief. You got to have that belief that everyone has\n\n1756\n01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:29.600\nsomething that you can\n\n1757\n01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:33.690\nlearn from. And it doesn't matter what level they're at, but you know, they\n\n1758\n01:13:33.690 --> 01:13:35.600\nhave a perspective of you\n\n1759\n01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:41.760\nthat you can learn from if you listen to them. And so I think that's the real\n\n1760\n01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:42.400\npoint. You know,\n\n1761\n01:13:42.400 --> 01:13:47.460\nI try to go into every situation where I'm looking to learn. I just did a\n\n1762\n01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:48.720\npodcast with Bobby Long\n\n1763\n01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:56.720\nand one of the best investors and business builders and big idea thinkers that\n\n1764\n01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:57.200\nI know.\n\n1765\n01:13:57.200 --> 01:14:01.470\nAnd he talked about the fact that he thought the most important thing you could\n\n1766\n01:14:01.470 --> 01:14:02.160\nbe is to be a\n\n1767\n01:14:02.160 --> 01:14:07.220\nhumble listener, you know, and that you could learn from everybody if you\n\n1768\n01:14:07.220 --> 01:14:09.120\nreally did that.\n\n1769\n01:14:09.120 --> 01:14:15.440\nAnd I think that is so, so powerful. And, you know, I learn from you, Kool,\n\n1770\n01:14:15.440 --> 01:14:16.000\nevery time we're\n\n1771\n01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:19.860\ntogether. I mean, you always have some insight that I wasn't really thinking of\n\n1772\n01:14:19.860 --> 01:14:21.040\n. And you give me a\n\n1773\n01:14:21.040 --> 01:14:26.200\ndifferent perspective because you're background. And, you know, I can recall\n\n1774\n01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:28.000\nwhen we were thinking\n\n1775\n01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:33.070\nabout our podcast and how to broaden our reach. You know, we realized that, you\n\n1776\n01:14:33.070 --> 01:14:34.800\nknow, this, our\n\n1777\n01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:39.870\npodcast is an hour, not everybody has an hour. Can we take our podcast and come\n\n1778\n01:14:39.870 --> 01:14:41.440\nup with some shorts,\n\n1779\n01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:46.130\nyou know, where we really break it down. And, you know, recently we did some\n\n1780\n01:14:46.130 --> 01:14:47.520\nshorts with Roy Williams\n\n1781\n01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:52.650\nand, you know, short clips that, you know, I think we're going to have over 2\n\n1782\n01:14:52.650 --> 01:14:54.000\nmillion views\n\n1783\n01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:59.280\nof how leaders lead in the month of March alone. And it's climbing as we speak.\n\n1784\n01:14:59.280 --> 01:15:00.720\nSo that's very\n\n1785\n01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:05.060\nexciting. But I, you know, I think listening and then the other part of this is\n\n1786\n01:15:05.060 --> 01:15:06.080\nnot only listening\n\n1787\n01:15:07.120 --> 01:15:12.140\nand learning, but responding. You know, that's why I talked about it in my book\n\n1788\n01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:12.960\n, How Leaders Learn,\n\n1789\n01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:16.890\nyou know, that is, you know, it's one thing to be an avid learner. That's, that\n\n1790\n01:15:16.890 --> 01:15:17.520\n's nice. Yeah,\n\n1791\n01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.170\nit's nice to learn things. But what are you going to do with it? So you got to\n\n1792\n01:15:20.170 --> 01:15:21.120\nbe an active learner.\n\n1793\n01:15:21.120 --> 01:15:28.040\nAnd, you know, I think if you're looking to learn and, and you look to people\n\n1794\n01:15:28.040 --> 01:15:29.280\nto teach it and take\n\n1795\n01:15:29.280 --> 01:15:34.930\nthat, take that learning and then do something with it. Don't just make it,\n\n1796\n01:15:34.930 --> 01:15:35.840\nmake it just a little\n\n1797\n01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.570\nsmarter, but actually say, Hey, how can I apply this in my life and do\n\n1798\n01:15:39.570 --> 01:15:42.000\nsomething that I can impact\n\n1799\n01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:48.180\nmy own leadership better, my business better, but really, you know, put it to\n\n1800\n01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:48.560\nuse.\n\n1801\n01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:55.820\nI love this concept too, because it kind of forces you to humble yourself.\n\n1802\n01:15:55.820 --> 01:15:57.520\nBecause if you are\n\n1803\n01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:01.600\nactively learning, if you're taking insights and applying them to your life,\n\n1804\n01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:02.160\nyou're telling\n\n1805\n01:16:02.160 --> 01:16:05.200\nyourself that you don't have all the answers and that you're not the smartest\n\n1806\n01:16:05.200 --> 01:16:06.160\nperson in the room. So\n\n1807\n01:16:06.160 --> 01:16:11.590\nit kind of is like a Trojan horse a little bit add into humbling ourselves,\n\n1808\n01:16:11.590 --> 01:16:13.040\nwhich I think, you\n\n1809\n01:16:13.040 --> 01:16:17.440\nknow, we talk about humility a lot on this podcast. And I think that, you know,\n\n1810\n01:16:17.440 --> 01:16:18.560\nalways being on the\n\n1811\n01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:24.580\nhunt to learn from people and places and situations keeps me at least grounded\n\n1812\n01:16:24.580 --> 01:16:25.920\nin this mindset of,\n\n1813\n01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:31.970\nokay, I always have room to grow and to learn. Therefore, I always must be\n\n1814\n01:16:31.970 --> 01:16:32.800\nlearning.\n\n1815\n01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:37.200\nAnd that's how it works with you, Kula, in the sense that, yeah, it tells\n\n1816\n01:16:37.200 --> 01:16:38.400\nyourself that you need\n\n1817\n01:16:38.400 --> 01:16:42.170\nto be humbled so that you can really learn. But the other thing is just think\n\n1818\n01:16:42.170 --> 01:16:42.880\nwhat it tells\n\n1819\n01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:47.940\neverybody else. It tells everybody else that you need them and that you're\n\n1820\n01:16:47.940 --> 01:16:48.640\nactively listening\n\n1821\n01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:54.160\nand that you want to hear what they have to say. And that that value, that\n\n1822\n01:16:54.160 --> 01:16:55.200\ndignity that you give\n\n1823\n01:16:55.200 --> 01:16:59.120\nto everybody, no matter what level that they might happen to be in your company\n\n1824\n01:16:59.120 --> 01:17:00.560\nor on your team,\n\n1825\n01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:04.720\nI think that's what really motivates people. David, I have to wrap this episode\n\n1826\n01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:05.920\nby asking who\n\n1827\n01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:11.400\nyour pick is to win the Master's this year? Well, I would love to see Colin\n\n1828\n01:17:11.400 --> 01:17:12.800\nMoore Cowell win.\n\n1829\n01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:20.640\nHe's a great friend. As is Justin Rose, both these guys, I really know well and\n\n1830\n01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:22.720\nlike him a lot.\n\n1831\n01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:29.040\nAnd I think Colin is coming in. Colin is always in the top of the leaderboard.\n\n1832\n01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:35.900\nAnd Justin Rose has lost twice in playoffs. And he deserves a green jacket if\n\n1833\n01:17:35.900 --> 01:17:36.800\nanybody does.\n\n1834\n01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:42.180\nI think Colin Moore Cowell will definitely get one too. He gets them all so\n\n1835\n01:17:42.180 --> 01:17:42.480\nhigh.\n\n1836\n01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:50.160\nAnd on those greens that are just really, really tough to hold, he can hold it\n\n1837\n01:17:50.160 --> 01:17:50.800\nwith the shots that\n\n1838\n01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:55.470\nhe has as all these guys can. I mean, last year, look, I can go on and on. I\n\n1839\n01:17:55.470 --> 01:17:55.920\nmean, last year,\n\n1840\n01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:02.720\nthink about Justin Rose made 10, 10 birdies on Sunday. Holy cow, that's just,\n\n1841\n01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:03.280\nthat's like\n\n1842\n01:18:03.280 --> 01:18:07.200\nunbelievable. He's got to come in. He's got to come in. So I'd love to see both\n\n1843\n01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:07.600\nthose guys.\n\n1844\n01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:13.620\nI love it. Well, I'm just excited for a great and I also got to tell you got to\n\n1845\n01:18:13.620 --> 01:18:14.400\nhave John\n\n1846\n01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:19.050\nramen to mix too. Those are my, my three favorite golfers. I love it. Well,\n\n1847\n01:18:19.050 --> 01:18:20.240\nDavid, thanks again for\n\n1848\n01:18:20.240 --> 01:18:26.540\na great episode. And Roy McElroy. Don't forget. We also interviewed Justin\n\n1849\n01:18:26.540 --> 01:18:27.520\nThomas on the show.\n\n1850\n01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:31.440\nSo you got to throw it and Justin Thomas. There we go. Mike and Tucky Roy. Yes.\n\n1851\n01:18:31.440 --> 01:18:36.880\nWell, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of how leaders lead\n\n1852\n01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:42.240\nand Scott Schaeffler because Scottie Schaeffler because we just had Scott on.\n\n1853\n01:18:42.240 --> 01:18:46.890\nAnd Scottie. So basically anyone, we will and anyone to win. Well, David,\n\n1854\n01:18:46.890 --> 01:18:47.520\nthanks so much for\n\n1855\n01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.040\nan excellent episode. And thank you for tuning in to another edition of How\n\n1856\n01:18:51.040 --> 01:18:52.000\nLeaders Lead with\n\n1857\n01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.560\nDavid Novak. 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