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We’ve all got big goals and dreams, both for ourselves and our people.

But often, there’s a gap between what we say we want and what we’re actually willing to do to get it.

Vanderbilt head football coach Clark Lea is obsessed with closing that gap. For him, the ultimate measure of your beliefs isn’t how you feel or what you say. It’s the actions you take. And that alignment is at the heart of the incredible turnaround he’s leading.

Under his leadership, Vanderbilt’s football program has gone from being the punching bags of the SEC to one of the NCAA’s most exciting teams, notching their first 10-win season in 2025.

This conversation gives you an inside look at what’s driving their success … and an inspiring reminder that your true beliefs show up in what you practice, not what you preach.

This episode is for you if:

You feel disconnected from your goals or your core values
You want to disrupt a culture that’s gotten used to losing
You’re feeling discouraged after a setback
You just love all things college football

","WEBVTT\n\n1\n00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.460\n- Hello friends and welcome to another episode\n\n2\n00:00:04.460 --> 00:00:06.680\nof How Leaders Lead with David Novak.\n\n3\n00:00:06.680 --> 00:00:09.080\nToday we have Clark Lee on the podcast.\n\n4\n00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.400\nHe is the head coach of the Vanderbilt football team.\n\n5\n00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.760\nAnd as a Vanderbilt alum myself,\n\n6\n00:00:14.760 --> 00:00:17.600\nI am thrilled about this conversation.\n\n7\n00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.600\nOften, you know, there's a gap between what we say we want\n\n8\n00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:23.400\nand what we're actually willing to do to get it.\n\n9\n00:00:23.400 --> 00:00:26.880\nClark Lee is obsessed with closing that gap.\n\n10\n00:00:26.880 --> 00:00:29.120\nFor him, the ultimate measure of belief\n\n11\n00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:31.160\nisn't what you say or how you feel.\n\n12\n00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:32.920\nIt's the actions that you take.\n\n13\n00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.280\nAnd it's that alignment that's at the heart\n\n14\n00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:37.520\nof the incredible turnaround he's leading\n\n15\n00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:39.000\nwith Vanderbilt football.\n\n16\n00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:40.640\nUnder Clark's leadership and coaching,\n\n17\n00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.320\nVandy has gone from basically being the punching bag\n\n18\n00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:48.200\nof the SEC to becoming one of the NCAA's most exciting teams,\n\n19\n00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.040\nnotching their first 10 win season in 2025.\n\n20\n00:00:52.040 --> 00:00:54.240\nThis conversation will give you an inside look\n\n21\n00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:56.800\nat what Clark is doing to drive that success.\n\n22\n00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:59.680\nEnjoy this conversation with Coach Lee and David\n\n23\n00:00:59.680 --> 00:01:01.680\nand I will see you at the debrief.\n\n24\n00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:09.480\n- Clark, I gotta taste that my daughter went to Vanderbilt\n\n25\n00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:13.120\nand you know, I went to, I saw him lose game after game\n\n26\n00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:15.160\nwhenever I was able to go to the campus.\n\n27\n00:01:15.160 --> 00:01:18.240\nBut I have to admit, I'm a Missouri alum.\n\n28\n00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:22.480\nAnd I told Coach Drinkwitz is a very good friend of mine\n\n29\n00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.960\nthat I was gonna be doing this podcast with you.\n\n30\n00:01:25.960 --> 00:01:29.840\nAnd he said, \"Well, David, make sure you wear the right attire.\"\n\n31\n00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.640\nAnd he said, \"I wanna make sure he knows\n\n32\n00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.080\n\"that you're loyal to the Tigers.\"\n\n33\n00:01:35.080 --> 00:01:37.680\nSo I've got it on, you know.\n\n34\n00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:38.520\n- I like it, David.\n\n35\n00:01:38.520 --> 00:01:40.000\nGive me a few more conversations.\n\n36\n00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:41.760\nI might have you in a V, but it'll take some time.\n\n37\n00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.560\n- Well, from what I understand about your sales ability,\n\n38\n00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:46.720\nI'm sure that's probably true.\n\n39\n00:01:46.720 --> 00:01:49.680\nYou know, a couple years back, I had the opportunity\n\n40\n00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.080\nto be the honorary captain of the University of Missouri\n\n41\n00:01:52.080 --> 00:01:54.240\nwhen we played Vanderbilt.\n\n42\n00:01:54.240 --> 00:01:58.320\nAnd that was the game where we, Missouri won,\n\n43\n00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:01.600\nI think it was 30 to 27 in two over times.\n\n44\n00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:03.640\nI don't know if you, I'm sure you don't remember this,\n\n45\n00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.480\nbut I was with Coach Drinkwitz.\n\n46\n00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:07.160\nAnd he took me out on the field\n\n47\n00:02:07.160 --> 00:02:08.840\nand he introduced me to you.\n\n48\n00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:13.840\nAnd we talked for just a couple minutes and that was great.\n\n49\n00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.040\nBut that was a hell of a game.\n\n50\n00:02:16.040 --> 00:02:17.480\nAnd that was the year where you started\n\n51\n00:02:17.480 --> 00:02:20.080\nto turn things around at Vanderbilt.\n\n52\n00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:20.920\n- Interesting.\n\n53\n00:02:20.920 --> 00:02:22.240\nThat was an important game for us.\n\n54\n00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:26.520\nWe were coming off like just a crushing loss at Georgia State.\n\n55\n00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.960\nSo it was a response game.\n\n56\n00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.280\nAnd obviously we played well, but not well enough to win.\n\n57\n00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.360\nAnd so we started 2-0 and you drop a game\n\n58\n00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.560\nthat we should have won on the road at Georgia State.\n\n59\n00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:39.760\nWe go up and play Missouri.\n\n60\n00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:42.680\nAnd one of the things that our games with Missouri,\n\n61\n00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.760\nsince I've been here, except for one,\n\n62\n00:02:44.760 --> 00:02:49.080\nhave really been tightly contested, tough battles.\n\n63\n00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:50.680\nAnd I was, you know, coming out of that game,\n\n64\n00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.560\nI think there was a lot that we could build on positive,\n\n65\n00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:55.720\nbut you just worry about the mentality of the team.\n\n66\n00:02:55.720 --> 00:02:57.560\nAnd so we took that into the by-week\n\n67\n00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.040\nand then came out, obviously had the winning at Alabama\n\n68\n00:03:00.040 --> 00:03:02.120\nthat they kind of set a tone for us\n\n69\n00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:03.240\nthrough the end of the season.\n\n70\n00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.160\nBut that was a tough one.\n\n71\n00:03:05.160 --> 00:03:06.440\nThat's a game I'll always remember\n\n72\n00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:08.720\nbecause of the context of when it was played.\n\n73\n00:03:08.720 --> 00:03:10.320\n- Yeah, that was something else.\n\n74\n00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:12.480\nAnd, you know, I was at Missouri\n\n75\n00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:14.960\nbecause we have the Novak Leadership Institute there.\n\n76\n00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:18.080\nAnd, you know, I got to hang with the team,\n\n77\n00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.880\nthe coaches and the players for, you know, four or five days.\n\n78\n00:03:20.880 --> 00:03:22.520\nIt was a really unique experience,\n\n79\n00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:23.800\ngot to meet with a lot of the kids.\n\n80\n00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.720\nAnd I was so, so impressed, you know.\n\n81\n00:03:26.720 --> 00:03:29.920\nBut what do you see in kids today, you know,\n\n82\n00:03:29.920 --> 00:03:32.200\njust from a leadership perspective\n\n83\n00:03:32.200 --> 00:03:35.240\nthat maybe people are missing out on?\n\n84\n00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.040\n- Well, I think you have a real opportunity.\n\n85\n00:03:37.040 --> 00:03:39.920\nThese guys are way more aware.\n\n86\n00:03:39.920 --> 00:03:42.200\nI think they're way more in touch to, you know,\n\n87\n00:03:42.200 --> 00:03:45.600\nauthenticity, they just have a better feel.\n\n88\n00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:48.840\nAnd I think there's an opportunity you have\n\n89\n00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.200\nas a leader to embrace that side of it\n\n90\n00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:54.280\nand actually help them go a little further because of it,\n\n91\n00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.120\nbecause they're believed, because of the way they see the world.\n\n92\n00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.080\nBut to do that, I think you have to accept the fact\n\n93\n00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.960\nthat you're not going to be able to fake your way into it.\n\n94\n00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:05.360\nYou're not going to be able to convince them\n\n95\n00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.400\nof something that's not true.\n\n96\n00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.840\nI think they need to see authenticity in you\n\n97\n00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.120\nbefore they're willing to display it for themselves.\n\n98\n00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.880\nBut this is a, to me, I've had so much fun.\n\n99\n00:04:16.880 --> 00:04:20.120\nThis group of young people have helped me\n\n100\n00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.160\nhonestly learn a little bit more about who I am\n\n101\n00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.840\nand, you know, the things that I like to celebrate\n\n102\n00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:26.080\nand have joy do end.\n\n103\n00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:27.880\nAnd they've helped bring that out of me.\n\n104\n00:04:27.880 --> 00:04:31.640\nAnd hopefully I've given them something in return\n\n105\n00:04:31.640 --> 00:04:34.160\nthat'll help serve them over a lifetime.\n\n106\n00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.720\n- Well, I know that that is true.\n\n107\n00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.560\nAnd you have that reputation for caring about your coaches\n\n108\n00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.160\nand your players.\n\n109\n00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:42.760\nAnd that's awesome, you know?\n\n110\n00:04:42.760 --> 00:04:45.280\nAnd one of the things that Coach Drink was told me\n\n111\n00:04:45.280 --> 00:04:48.200\nis that there's actually you have the South Eastern Conference.\n\n112\n00:04:48.200 --> 00:04:51.240\nYou have a, the coaches have a group text.\n\n113\n00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.640\nAnd, you know, so, you know, I got to ask you,\n\n114\n00:04:53.640 --> 00:04:56.240\nwhat's the chatter been like lately on your group text\n\n115\n00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.120\nwith your SEC coaching friends?\n\n116\n00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.520\n- Oh gosh, it runs the spectrum, you know,\n\n117\n00:05:00.520 --> 00:05:03.800\nlike we have a couple of guys that know how to make jokes\n\n118\n00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.480\nand a lot of sarcasm through the, through the text.\n\n119\n00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:10.560\nBut I got to tell you, there's, there's the main line\n\n120\n00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.640\nthat it stays pretty civil.\n\n121\n00:05:13.640 --> 00:05:15.640\nCertainly it can be fun.\n\n122\n00:05:15.640 --> 00:05:17.920\nAnd I'll know that something's going on in the world.\n\n123\n00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.600\nI've kind of separated myself totally\n\n124\n00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.880\nfrom social media and that kind of stuff.\n\n125\n00:05:23.880 --> 00:05:26.320\nBut I'll know something's going on in the world\n\n126\n00:05:26.320 --> 00:05:27.800\nwhen I'll get back to my phone.\n\n127\n00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:32.480\nAnd I might have 36 messages in the SEC head coaches group chat.\n\n128\n00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.040\nI do believe there's also, in fact, I know this to be true.\n\n129\n00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.600\nThere are also a couple of separate, you know,\n\n130\n00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.480\ngroups and group texts that are ongoing.\n\n131\n00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.560\nI don't know the content of all those.\n\n132\n00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:44.920\nI'm sure a lot of people would be interested\n\n133\n00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.240\nto know what's being said in those.\n\n134\n00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.160\nBut on the whole, it's a lot of fun.\n\n135\n00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:51.320\nOn the whole, this is a group of guys that supports\n\n136\n00:05:51.320 --> 00:05:52.160\none another.\n\n137\n00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:53.920\nObviously we battle it out on Saturdays.\n\n138\n00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.200\nBut I think what's been neat about the context of our game\n\n139\n00:05:57.200 --> 00:06:00.200\nis it's really created grounds for us to come together\n\n140\n00:06:00.200 --> 00:06:02.840\nand try to find solutions to problem solve.\n\n141\n00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:06.360\nAnd I've been impressed with how our group, my peers,\n\n142\n00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.120\nin this conference have been willing to kind of compete\n\n143\n00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.240\non Saturdays and compete in recruiting.\n\n144\n00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.600\nBut when we come together, we really, really try\n\n145\n00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.720\nto collaborate on some solutions to help our game move forward.\n\n146\n00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.920\nCan you give me an example of that, Clark,\n\n147\n00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.880\nand how you learn from your peers?\n\n148\n00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:22.040\nWell, it's interesting.\n\n149\n00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.800\nYou know, each of these guys have reached the pinnacle\n\n150\n00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.480\nof the profession.\n\n151\n00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.120\nYou know, I'm impressed with all of them.\n\n152\n00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.400\nAnd yet it's interesting their differences in everyone, too.\n\n153\n00:06:32.400 --> 00:06:33.680\nAnd obviously we're different here.\n\n154\n00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.680\nI'm different in the way I approach things.\n\n155\n00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.440\nBut you can always take something away\n\n156\n00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:41.520\nin watching them process and think.\n\n157\n00:06:41.520 --> 00:06:43.840\nAnd so, you know, we meet in February.\n\n158\n00:06:43.840 --> 00:06:46.520\nWe meet in the spring and May.\n\n159\n00:06:46.520 --> 00:06:48.520\nYou know, typically we'll cross paths with them\n\n160\n00:06:48.520 --> 00:06:49.680\nat SC Media Day.\n\n161\n00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.920\nAnd then, you know, we'll have ongoing conversations,\n\n162\n00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.080\nwhether that be in the group chat\n\n163\n00:06:54.080 --> 00:06:56.760\nor when we see each other on Saturdays through the fall.\n\n164\n00:06:56.760 --> 00:07:00.640\nAnd so right now, we're living through a lot of change\n\n165\n00:07:00.640 --> 00:07:03.400\nin our profession.\n\n166\n00:07:03.400 --> 00:07:07.160\nAnd I think in some ways, the game has never been better.\n\n167\n00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:10.160\nAnd I also think, you know, sustainability in the game\n\n168\n00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:11.320\nis being challenged right now.\n\n169\n00:07:11.320 --> 00:07:15.960\nSo when we do come together, you see way less kind of like\n\n170\n00:07:15.960 --> 00:07:18.760\nfence building and fighting for, you know,\n\n171\n00:07:18.760 --> 00:07:20.320\none perspective within the league\n\n172\n00:07:20.320 --> 00:07:23.520\nand really a way more galvanized kind of perspective.\n\n173\n00:07:23.520 --> 00:07:26.840\nHey, this may be best for me, but I see where this is best\n\n174\n00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:28.680\nfor the direction of the game.\n\n175\n00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.560\nLet's settle on some things that help move our game forward.\n\n176\n00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:37.160\nAgain, I've been in these meetings for now six years.\n\n177\n00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.080\nIt was not this way early on.\n\n178\n00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:42.520\nYou know, just I think it's been the adversity\n\n179\n00:07:42.520 --> 00:07:45.440\nthat we've kind of worked through together,\n\n180\n00:07:45.440 --> 00:07:47.680\nthe constantly changing landscape.\n\n181\n00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.080\nI think that's helped kind of bring us together\n\n182\n00:07:50.080 --> 00:07:52.560\nand really unite the group around,\n\n183\n00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.600\nagain, fighting for the direction of our sport.\n\n184\n00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.880\nSo I'm amazed with the personalities.\n\n185\n00:07:58.880 --> 00:08:02.240\nObviously, you know, I've sat in some pretty interesting\n\n186\n00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.000\nmeetings with respect to the crowd that's in there.\n\n187\n00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.720\nBut I'm always, I always come away with an appreciation\n\n188\n00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:12.480\nof the fact that in their own way, everyone has expertise.\n\n189\n00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.760\nEveryone has, you know, like really smart\n\n190\n00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:18.480\nabout how they approach things and how they problem solve.\n\n191\n00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.480\nWe may be a little different, but certainly a ton of respect\n\n192\n00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.080\nfor the guys, the work they do.\n\n193\n00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:26.840\nAnd ultimately the results they get.\n\n194\n00:08:26.840 --> 00:08:28.280\n- You talked about authenticity.\n\n195\n00:08:28.280 --> 00:08:31.560\nYou're known for being a very authentic leader\n\n196\n00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.400\nand a very human leader.\n\n197\n00:08:33.400 --> 00:08:36.440\nAnd I understand that Vanderbilt had his first ever\n\n198\n00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.560\ntake your kid to work day recently.\n\n199\n00:08:39.560 --> 00:08:42.360\nTell me about it and why you started it.\n\n200\n00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.720\n- Well, listen, the truth is every day here\n\n201\n00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:47.480\ncan turn in to take your kid to work day.\n\n202\n00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:51.000\nLike we just, you know, part of it is selfish, right?\n\n203\n00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:53.040\nAnd so I'm a parent of young kids.\n\n204\n00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:56.640\nI've got a rising 14 year old, an 11 year old,\n\n205\n00:08:56.640 --> 00:08:57.720\nand a rising nine year old.\n\n206\n00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.400\nSo, and then actually one on the way in November.\n\n207\n00:09:00.400 --> 00:09:01.800\nSo we-- - Congratulations.\n\n208\n00:09:01.800 --> 00:09:03.160\n- Thanks, yeah.\n\n209\n00:09:03.160 --> 00:09:08.080\nAnd so it's really important to me that when I chose to coach,\n\n210\n00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.120\nI chose to make sacrifices.\n\n211\n00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.120\nAnd I still make that choice.\n\n212\n00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:14.440\nIn fact, every day I make that choice.\n\n213\n00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.440\nI, you know, if I didn't want to do this tomorrow,\n\n214\n00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:17.760\nI didn't have, I wouldn't have to do it.\n\n215\n00:09:17.760 --> 00:09:19.440\nI could go do something else.\n\n216\n00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.240\nI could buy some time back to make sure I'm home\n\n217\n00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:23.880\nevery night for dinner or whatever the case may be.\n\n218\n00:09:23.880 --> 00:09:25.360\nThis is a choice.\n\n219\n00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:28.440\nAnd yet I think this done at the highest level,\n\n220\n00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.000\ncoaching football, playing football,\n\n221\n00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.360\nit's a really human endeavor.\n\n222\n00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.080\nI think we talk a lot about family.\n\n223\n00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.080\nAnd I think that becomes a really cheap tagline\n\n224\n00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.200\nunless you live it out.\n\n225\n00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:40.640\nAnd so what does it mean to be the husband?\n\n226\n00:09:40.640 --> 00:09:41.840\nWhat does it mean to be a father?\n\n227\n00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:42.880\nWhat does it mean to be a brother?\n\n228\n00:09:42.880 --> 00:09:44.960\nWhat are these things bring out of us\n\n229\n00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:46.200\nthat are especially unique?\n\n230\n00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.240\nAnd now how do we apply those in our roles as coach,\n\n231\n00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.000\nas team eight, et cetera?\n\n232\n00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.880\nOne of the great gifts a coach can give his team\n\n233\n00:09:54.880 --> 00:09:59.080\nis showing how he operates in those other roles.\n\n234\n00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.760\nAnd so I enjoy having my family around\n\n235\n00:10:02.760 --> 00:10:06.640\nbecause again, I take my whistle off\n\n236\n00:10:06.640 --> 00:10:09.360\nand they see me now as husband.\n\n237\n00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:10.440\nThey see me as parent.\n\n238\n00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:11.920\nThey see me as dad.\n\n239\n00:10:11.920 --> 00:10:15.640\nAnd then they get to know my kids too,\n\n240\n00:10:15.640 --> 00:10:18.240\nwhich my children all see these guys as brothers.\n\n241\n00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.480\nI mean, it's just, it's remarkable to see it all come to life.\n\n242\n00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:25.240\nYou know, my dad actually comes to every practice we have also.\n\n243\n00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.880\nAnd so they're just these little tentacles out there\n\n244\n00:10:27.880 --> 00:10:30.440\nthat I think humanize me to the players,\n\n245\n00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:34.040\ngive them a better perspective on how I function\n\n246\n00:10:34.040 --> 00:10:35.400\noutside of my role as coach.\n\n247\n00:10:35.400 --> 00:10:38.760\nAnd now maybe I'm a little more approachable to them\n\n248\n00:10:38.760 --> 00:10:41.720\nwhen they need something, they need to talk.\n\n249\n00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:42.720\nThey're going through something.\n\n250\n00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.240\nThey've seen me outside of the realm of coach\n\n251\n00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.600\nand it allows them to open up.\n\n252\n00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.800\nAnd so my goal would be that, you know,\n\n253\n00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:54.400\nwe get our work done that we're really efficient with that work.\n\n254\n00:10:54.400 --> 00:10:57.120\nBut I never wanted to be said that like, you know,\n\n255\n00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.360\nwhen something comes up at home,\n\n256\n00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.760\nthat we can't adjust and adapt and welcome family\n\n257\n00:11:01.760 --> 00:11:03.960\ninto the office if they need to sit in\n\n258\n00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.960\nand hang out a little bit while mom has an appointment\n\n259\n00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.120\nsomewhere or whatever the case may be.\n\n260\n00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.680\nLet's be, let's be adjustable and adaptable\n\n261\n00:11:11.680 --> 00:11:15.120\nand make sure that we appreciate the fact\n\n262\n00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.920\nthat we want to be so good in our roles as a coach.\n\n263\n00:11:17.920 --> 00:11:19.480\nBut to be great in this role,\n\n264\n00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:20.880\nyou have to have the confidence\n\n265\n00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:24.000\nthat you're serving your other roles really well too.\n\n266\n00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.160\nAnd again, all that to me is from an angle of winning,\n\n267\n00:11:28.160 --> 00:11:30.640\nbut more importantly, we make choices to do this\n\n268\n00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:32.080\nat a really high level.\n\n269\n00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.360\nWe understand the sacrifice embedded in that choice.\n\n270\n00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.800\nAnd when we can welcome that part of our lives\n\n271\n00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:37.640\ninto this building,\n\n272\n00:11:37.640 --> 00:11:40.520\nI think it's really healthy for everyone involved.\n\n273\n00:11:40.520 --> 00:11:41.360\n- That's great.\n\n274\n00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.360\nAnd, you know, it's looking back, you know,\n\n275\n00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.840\nthe year you decided to take the Vandy job,\n\n276\n00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:49.880\nthey didn't win a single game that year.\n\n277\n00:11:49.880 --> 00:11:52.160\nTell us about your decision-making process\n\n278\n00:11:52.160 --> 00:11:55.600\nbecause you were, you know, an up-and-coming assistant,\n\n279\n00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.120\na well-established assistant, obviously at Notre Dame.\n\n280\n00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.080\n- I got into coaching to be a head coach.\n\n281\n00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.040\nI think when I was playing here, honestly,\n\n282\n00:12:04.040 --> 00:12:06.680\nI always kind of dreamed of being the head coach here.\n\n283\n00:12:06.680 --> 00:12:10.200\nOnce I'd gotten out and established a career for myself,\n\n284\n00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.680\nI'd kind of move past the idea\n\n285\n00:12:11.680 --> 00:12:14.200\nthat that opportunity would be at Vanderbilt.\n\n286\n00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.560\nI just felt like inevitably, you know,\n\n287\n00:12:16.560 --> 00:12:19.520\nI'm gonna go where the opportunity exists.\n\n288\n00:12:19.520 --> 00:12:21.640\nThere comes a point, I think, where you get close\n\n289\n00:12:21.640 --> 00:12:23.840\nand you're kind of knocking on the doorstep.\n\n290\n00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.840\nAnd I've got a unique way of kind of talking trash to myself.\n\n291\n00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.760\nYou know, it's something I've battled\n\n292\n00:12:31.760 --> 00:12:36.760\nand I don't always operate with the confidence I should\n\n293\n00:12:36.760 --> 00:12:40.000\nand trust that, you know, being a good coach\n\n294\n00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.240\nand doing my job really well, the opportunities will,\n\n295\n00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:43.760\nthe right opportunities will come around.\n\n296\n00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:45.720\nSo I was in a hurry.\n\n297\n00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.080\nI was in a hurry to get one of these jobs.\n\n298\n00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.840\nI felt like we, you know, I was at a really special place\n\n299\n00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.720\nat Notre Dame where my family was really happy.\n\n300\n00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.040\nAnd I built really meaningful relationships there.\n\n301\n00:12:58.040 --> 00:13:03.040\nI think to say that I enjoyed fully the run we went on\n\n302\n00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:06.000\nwhere, you know, we won, you know,\n\n303\n00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.320\n10 or more games every year I was there.\n\n304\n00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.640\nMy three as coordinator, two of those were playoff appearances.\n\n305\n00:13:11.640 --> 00:13:13.880\nThe other one was an 11 win season.\n\n306\n00:13:13.880 --> 00:13:17.240\nI mean, just remarkable success and remarkable people.\n\n307\n00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:21.520\nAnd yet I was just impaling myself\n\n308\n00:13:21.520 --> 00:13:24.240\nto get a head coaching job.\n\n309\n00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:29.240\nAnd so I believe, you know, going into the pandemic here.\n\n310\n00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:34.160\nI'd finished, I'd interviewed for a few jobs in 2019.\n\n311\n00:13:34.160 --> 00:13:36.280\nI'd finished second at one in particular\n\n312\n00:13:36.280 --> 00:13:38.920\nthat I was really interested in.\n\n313\n00:13:38.920 --> 00:13:43.080\nAnd I knew that maybe there would be a little less turnover\n\n314\n00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.080\nin 2020 because of the pandemic,\n\n315\n00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.280\nbut I was still had my ear to the ground\n\n316\n00:13:48.280 --> 00:13:51.200\nto kind of see what was going to be available.\n\n317\n00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.160\nAnd, you know, honestly, when the Vanderbilt job came open,\n\n318\n00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:57.080\nI wasn't sure whether it was going to be the right time\n\n319\n00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:58.800\nand right fit for me.\n\n320\n00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:01.640\nTaking the time to get to know Candice Lee,\n\n321\n00:14:01.640 --> 00:14:05.600\nwhich what a remarkable leader she is,\n\n322\n00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.440\nChancellor Diermeyer, who's just an incredible visionary.\n\n323\n00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:10.720\nAnd what he's doing for university is,\n\n324\n00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:14.400\nI mean, unparalleled, I don't believe in higher education.\n\n325\n00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:17.800\nYou know, I didn't know it was going to be right.\n\n326\n00:14:17.800 --> 00:14:19.000\nWhen you go through the zooms,\n\n327\n00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:20.600\nwhen you go through the phone interviews,\n\n328\n00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.800\nit all just kind of feels rote.\n\n329\n00:14:22.800 --> 00:14:26.840\nIt feels just, you know, like it's a process.\n\n330\n00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:30.440\nWhen I sat down with Candice and this chancellor in person,\n\n331\n00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.660\nthat's when I knew that this had a chance to be different.\n\n332\n00:14:32.660 --> 00:14:37.620\nYou know, understand that I was all the right kind of naive\n\n333\n00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:39.540\nwhere I felt like I was good enough to do this.\n\n334\n00:14:39.540 --> 00:14:43.120\nYou know, I think I was confident in myself.\n\n335\n00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.580\nYou know, I knew that it was going to be kind of\n\n336\n00:14:45.580 --> 00:14:47.500\na three to five year build.\n\n337\n00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:49.820\nI guess what you don't understand in that moment\n\n338\n00:14:49.820 --> 00:14:53.540\nis two fold one, that three to five years\n\n339\n00:14:53.540 --> 00:14:56.540\nin a total gut job and rebuild,\n\n340\n00:14:56.540 --> 00:14:58.140\nthose are like dog years, you know.\n\n341\n00:14:58.140 --> 00:15:02.620\nSo it's just, the length of time that actually feels like\n\n342\n00:15:02.620 --> 00:15:03.980\nis immeasurable.\n\n343\n00:15:03.980 --> 00:15:06.660\nThe other thing, the other thing,\n\n344\n00:15:06.660 --> 00:15:09.700\nand I think maybe most importantly is,\n\n345\n00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:12.500\nI didn't realize that how much I was going to have to change\n\n346\n00:15:12.500 --> 00:15:14.420\nin order for this place to be successful.\n\n347\n00:15:14.420 --> 00:15:16.980\nYou know, and I think the story of the program\n\n348\n00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:20.980\nis about so many people other than me.\n\n349\n00:15:20.980 --> 00:15:26.060\nBut I recognize that I've had to become a different person\n\n350\n00:15:26.060 --> 00:15:28.180\nthan I was when I took the job.\n\n351\n00:15:28.180 --> 00:15:30.980\nAnd I've done that through, you know,\n\n352\n00:15:30.980 --> 00:15:34.460\ngetting my kicked without lack, for lack of a better word.\n\n353\n00:15:34.460 --> 00:15:35.700\n- Well, how did you change Clark?\n\n354\n00:15:35.700 --> 00:15:38.780\nWhat was the big revelation you had as a leader that said,\n\n355\n00:15:38.780 --> 00:15:41.060\nthis is what I got to do to take this place forward?\n\n356\n00:15:41.060 --> 00:15:43.900\n- Obviously, as you know, there's like a million things,\n\n357\n00:15:43.900 --> 00:15:47.100\nbut personal to me, I think it was,\n\n358\n00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:50.220\nyou come back with this vision of being savior\n\n359\n00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:55.220\nand being hero and you really make it too much about you.\n\n360\n00:15:55.220 --> 00:16:00.060\nLike, you know, to understand all the parts\n\n361\n00:16:00.060 --> 00:16:04.500\nthat have to move here and also to understand\n\n362\n00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.660\nwhat I say and what I do really doesn't matter\n\n363\n00:16:07.660 --> 00:16:09.780\nif it's not felt and actualized\n\n364\n00:16:09.780 --> 00:16:13.140\nin the smallest of echo chambers in this building.\n\n365\n00:16:13.140 --> 00:16:17.620\nAnd so as a position coach, you're kind of farming your land\n\n366\n00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:19.460\nand you got 12 to 15 guys\n\n367\n00:16:19.460 --> 00:16:22.780\nand you can just establish that the relationship.\n\n368\n00:16:22.780 --> 00:16:25.820\nIt really becomes easy to kind of create impression\n\n369\n00:16:25.820 --> 00:16:27.780\nand to build identity.\n\n370\n00:16:27.780 --> 00:16:29.580\nAs a coordinator, it takes a little more work\n\n371\n00:16:29.580 --> 00:16:32.820\nbecause, you know, you're now dealing with around five,\n\n372\n00:16:32.820 --> 00:16:34.580\nyou know, or excuse me, 50 players\n\n373\n00:16:34.580 --> 00:16:36.740\nand like kind of 10 staff members\n\n374\n00:16:36.740 --> 00:16:39.500\nthat you're organizing and working with.\n\n375\n00:16:39.500 --> 00:16:44.540\nAs a head coach, you really become the least important person\n\n376\n00:16:44.540 --> 00:16:47.540\nin the building and you realize\n\n377\n00:16:47.540 --> 00:16:49.540\nthat the program is actually in the hands\n\n378\n00:16:49.540 --> 00:16:50.460\nof the practitioners.\n\n379\n00:16:50.460 --> 00:16:54.740\nNow, I'm very hands on, I'm very involved,\n\n380\n00:16:54.740 --> 00:16:57.740\nI'm around my team, I'm around the staff, a ton.\n\n381\n00:16:57.740 --> 00:16:58.660\nThat's really important.\n\n382\n00:16:58.660 --> 00:17:01.620\nAnd I think that's genuine to what I want out of this\n\n383\n00:17:01.620 --> 00:17:04.020\nas a head coach, as a coach in general.\n\n384\n00:17:04.020 --> 00:17:08.500\nBut what I can't do is I cannot solve problems\n\n385\n00:17:08.500 --> 00:17:10.740\nat the position level from my seat as head coach.\n\n386\n00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:13.060\nI can't fix all the issues.\n\n387\n00:17:13.060 --> 00:17:16.740\nAnd as a coordinator, you can work 100 hours a week\n\n388\n00:17:16.740 --> 00:17:20.740\nand effectively problem solve, that doesn't happen here.\n\n389\n00:17:20.740 --> 00:17:23.660\nSo this is more about creating alignment.\n\n390\n00:17:23.660 --> 00:17:25.500\nYou know, we say clarity and intent alignment\n\n391\n00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:28.180\nin the program, being really clear on who we are,\n\n392\n00:17:28.180 --> 00:17:32.940\nbeing purposeful in how we act and then moving as one.\n\n393\n00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:35.220\nThat's my job, is to create that clarity\n\n394\n00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:36.420\nand intent alignment.\n\n395\n00:17:36.420 --> 00:17:38.060\nIt's to hold people accountable to the standards\n\n396\n00:17:38.060 --> 00:17:39.580\nof the program, but also support them\n\n397\n00:17:39.580 --> 00:17:41.540\nas they work to actualize the vision.\n\n398\n00:17:41.540 --> 00:17:43.820\nIt's being super clear on what that vision is\n\n399\n00:17:43.820 --> 00:17:46.700\nand what it isn't and drawing those boundaries.\n\n400\n00:17:46.700 --> 00:17:49.580\nAnd then, you know, stepping in strategically\n\n401\n00:17:49.580 --> 00:17:52.860\nand surgically when my opinion is needed\n\n402\n00:17:52.860 --> 00:17:56.180\nor my perspective is needed, but also being able\n\n403\n00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:57.580\nto step back and let people work.\n\n404\n00:17:57.580 --> 00:18:00.700\nI think there's a balance there and sustainability\n\n405\n00:18:00.700 --> 00:18:02.740\nis about a shared ownership here.\n\n406\n00:18:02.740 --> 00:18:06.860\nSo what does this feel like in the moment?\n\n407\n00:18:06.860 --> 00:18:10.780\nIt's realizing that I may be good enough,\n\n408\n00:18:10.780 --> 00:18:13.260\nbut I'm certainly not going to be able to do this on my own.\n\n409\n00:18:13.260 --> 00:18:15.740\nIt's realizing how important my partnership with Candice\n\n410\n00:18:15.740 --> 00:18:19.940\nand the Chancellor is going to be as we work to change,\n\n411\n00:18:19.940 --> 00:18:23.140\nlike for historical change in this program.\n\n412\n00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:25.580\nIt's realizing that everyone that leaves the program\n\n413\n00:18:25.580 --> 00:18:27.340\nisn't an indictment of my leadership.\n\n414\n00:18:27.340 --> 00:18:29.620\nYou know, that I'm not sitting here\n\n415\n00:18:29.620 --> 00:18:34.420\nand I'm not being judged necessarily by their decision,\n\n416\n00:18:34.420 --> 00:18:36.460\nbut what it is indication is not everyone's meant\n\n417\n00:18:36.460 --> 00:18:38.900\nfor the mission and so we can start to see these ways,\n\n418\n00:18:38.900 --> 00:18:41.220\nthese things as opportunities for us\n\n419\n00:18:41.220 --> 00:18:43.540\nto change the identity of our program,\n\n420\n00:18:43.540 --> 00:18:45.260\nthe attitude of our program.\n\n421\n00:18:45.260 --> 00:18:47.100\nI think that was an important shift for me,\n\n422\n00:18:47.100 --> 00:18:48.540\nbut on the whole, it was just,\n\n423\n00:18:48.540 --> 00:18:51.620\nit was kind of taking me out of the center of everything\n\n424\n00:18:51.620 --> 00:18:53.780\nand saying, hey, it's not about me.\n\n425\n00:18:53.780 --> 00:18:55.300\nThis is about Vanderbilt football.\n\n426\n00:18:55.300 --> 00:18:58.420\nIt's how we come together to do something.\n\n427\n00:18:58.420 --> 00:19:01.180\nLet me take myself, my ego,\n\n428\n00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:03.620\nsome of the personal elements of this out\n\n429\n00:19:03.620 --> 00:19:06.300\nand really focus on, hey,\n\n430\n00:19:06.300 --> 00:19:08.260\nwhat am I learning right now that I can apply\n\n431\n00:19:08.260 --> 00:19:10.500\nthat in 15 years is going to unlock our success\n\n432\n00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:12.300\nand our potential.\n\n433\n00:19:12.300 --> 00:19:14.460\nAnd, you know, over time,\n\n434\n00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:16.700\nthat's been the process that I've gone through\n\n435\n00:19:16.700 --> 00:19:19.260\nto hopefully become more effective in my job.\n\n436\n00:19:19.260 --> 00:19:22.060\nAnd the good news is I'm not all the way there yet.\n\n437\n00:19:22.060 --> 00:19:23.580\nYou know, there's still room for me to grow\n\n438\n00:19:23.580 --> 00:19:25.300\nand that's going to unlock, you know,\n\n439\n00:19:25.300 --> 00:19:27.220\nfurther levels here, I believe.\n\n440\n00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:29.340\n- You know, I really appreciate that.\n\n441\n00:19:29.340 --> 00:19:32.380\nI appreciate the humility that you just communicated there.\n\n442\n00:19:32.380 --> 00:19:34.540\nYou know, I've always said, you know,\n\n443\n00:19:34.540 --> 00:19:37.060\nshow me a good leader and I'll show you a good business.\n\n444\n00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:38.300\nYou know, show me a good leader.\n\n445\n00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:39.340\nI'll show you a good team.\n\n446\n00:19:39.340 --> 00:19:42.180\nI've never seen sustainable results happen\n\n447\n00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:44.380\nwithout leadership at the top.\n\n448\n00:19:44.380 --> 00:19:46.940\nYou know, so obviously what you did\n\n449\n00:19:46.940 --> 00:19:49.620\nis you molded your own leadership skills\n\n450\n00:19:49.620 --> 00:19:51.540\nso that you became that leader\n\n451\n00:19:51.540 --> 00:19:54.740\nthat could take a team that was, you know,\n\n452\n00:19:54.740 --> 00:19:59.460\nwinless, okay, to where now you got 10 wins, okay,\n\n453\n00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:01.060\nwhich is amazing, you know.\n\n454\n00:20:01.060 --> 00:20:04.500\nAnd what you inherited was what I've heard you describe\n\n455\n00:20:04.500 --> 00:20:06.380\nin the past is a sick program.\n\n456\n00:20:06.380 --> 00:20:08.980\nI mean, you know, explain that,\n\n457\n00:20:08.980 --> 00:20:10.820\nexplain what a sick program is\n\n458\n00:20:10.820 --> 00:20:13.140\nbecause I think leaders need to understand\n\n459\n00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:14.540\nthe bad environment.\n\n460\n00:20:14.540 --> 00:20:17.500\n- The first time I got in front of the team,\n\n461\n00:20:17.500 --> 00:20:19.740\nthis was still kind of mid-pandemic.\n\n462\n00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:23.380\nSo early 2021, and we were,\n\n463\n00:20:23.380 --> 00:20:24.460\nwe had shared a meal together.\n\n464\n00:20:24.460 --> 00:20:28.220\nWe were spaced out six feet, you know, and masked up.\n\n465\n00:20:28.220 --> 00:20:32.860\nAnd it was unlike anything that I'd ever envisioned\n\n466\n00:20:32.860 --> 00:20:35.860\nin my first time addressing my team as head coach.\n\n467\n00:20:35.860 --> 00:20:38.260\nBut when I stood in front of them,\n\n468\n00:20:38.260 --> 00:20:41.260\nI was met with any level of like,\n\n469\n00:20:41.260 --> 00:20:45.180\nyou know, disconnected, disengaged, apathetic,\n\n470\n00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:47.780\nbody posture, eye contact, all of that.\n\n471\n00:20:47.780 --> 00:20:49.740\nI mean, there was every level of hunched over,\n\n472\n00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:51.700\nslumped over, hood up.\n\n473\n00:20:51.700 --> 00:20:55.580\nAnd I realized in that moment, you know,\n\n474\n00:20:55.580 --> 00:20:58.340\nthat these guys had really lost touch\n\n475\n00:20:58.340 --> 00:21:02.340\nwith any value to be associated with this program.\n\n476\n00:21:02.340 --> 00:21:04.780\nAnd it was a moment where I had the,\n\n477\n00:21:04.780 --> 00:21:07.820\nyou know, I always tell people the best head,\n\n478\n00:21:07.820 --> 00:21:09.900\nfirst time head coach speech and the history\n\n479\n00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:12.100\nof first time head coaches that I ended up\n\n480\n00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:14.460\nputting in my back pocket and just talking\n\n481\n00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:16.060\nabout respect and appreciation.\n\n482\n00:21:16.060 --> 00:21:18.500\nAnd the idea that they are responsible\n\n483\n00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:19.820\nfor how they're perceived in the world.\n\n484\n00:21:19.820 --> 00:21:23.940\nI think there was a real mentality here of victim.\n\n485\n00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:26.300\nAnd somehow the universe was against us,\n\n486\n00:21:26.300 --> 00:21:27.500\nwhich isn't true.\n\n487\n00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:30.500\nIt's, you know, it was almost like we've become numb\n\n488\n00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:31.980\nto the control we did have.\n\n489\n00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:34.780\nAnd, you know, losing becomes like a plaque\n\n490\n00:21:34.780 --> 00:21:36.460\nthat just kind of covers everything.\n\n491\n00:21:36.460 --> 00:21:38.940\nAnd, you know, part of my job early on was,\n\n492\n00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:40.820\nwas Jack hammering it away.\n\n493\n00:21:40.820 --> 00:21:43.220\nBut how'd you do that, Clark?\n\n494\n00:21:43.220 --> 00:21:45.460\nI mean, how do you get that losing mentality\n\n495\n00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:47.180\nout of the building?\n\n496\n00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:50.780\nWell, my good friend Bronco Menenhall gave me a phrase\n\n497\n00:21:50.780 --> 00:21:54.740\nthat I think is held up as true in my time here.\n\n498\n00:21:54.740 --> 00:21:58.260\nAnd that's changed the people or changed the people, you know?\n\n499\n00:21:58.260 --> 00:22:02.980\nSo, you know, I'm going to set standards and expectations.\n\n500\n00:22:02.980 --> 00:22:04.740\nI'm going to set them really clearly.\n\n501\n00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:07.940\nYou know, one of the points of alignment here is again,\n\n502\n00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:09.340\nyou know, what I say and what I do\n\n503\n00:22:09.340 --> 00:22:11.580\nand how it's responded to in the team room is one thing.\n\n504\n00:22:11.580 --> 00:22:14.100\nWhat we say in our program is anything but fake.\n\n505\n00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:17.340\nAnd what fake become is to nod and acknowledge\n\n506\n00:22:17.340 --> 00:22:20.500\nand to call back in the team room and then turn\n\n507\n00:22:20.500 --> 00:22:22.940\nin the locker room or the training room\n\n508\n00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:27.220\nor the academic center and undercut the mission\n\n509\n00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:30.420\nor undercut the program values and principles.\n\n510\n00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:32.340\nWhat you need are people that are fighting\n\n511\n00:22:32.340 --> 00:22:35.020\nfor the program in all the corners of the building, right?\n\n512\n00:22:35.020 --> 00:22:36.500\nSo losing is a plaque.\n\n513\n00:22:36.500 --> 00:22:39.420\nThis victim's mindset becomes pervasive,\n\n514\n00:22:39.420 --> 00:22:40.420\nnot just in the players.\n\n515\n00:22:40.420 --> 00:22:43.220\nAnd in fact, a lot of times what I learned was\n\n516\n00:22:43.220 --> 00:22:47.860\nsome of the supporting cast, the support staff roles\n\n517\n00:22:47.860 --> 00:22:51.900\nwere among the worst with respect to creating soft spaces\n\n518\n00:22:51.900 --> 00:22:52.740\nfor these players.\n\n519\n00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:55.300\nThey were really reinforcing this victim's mindset\n\n520\n00:22:55.300 --> 00:22:57.660\nwhere it's like, oh, I'm so sorry that, you know,\n\n521\n00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:00.220\nyou can't take this class because, you know,\n\n522\n00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:01.900\nfootball practice or I'm so sorry\n\n523\n00:23:01.900 --> 00:23:04.900\nthat you've had to endure all these injuries\n\n524\n00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:06.300\nand you haven't gotten anything out of it.\n\n525\n00:23:06.300 --> 00:23:08.140\nWell, I just don't believe that to be true.\n\n526\n00:23:08.140 --> 00:23:11.340\nI think the essence of life is that it's challenging.\n\n527\n00:23:11.340 --> 00:23:14.740\nStruggle is actually what makes life worth living.\n\n528\n00:23:14.740 --> 00:23:16.860\nAnd when you struggle through something,\n\n529\n00:23:16.860 --> 00:23:19.300\nthere's always some value inherited at the end of it,\n\n530\n00:23:19.300 --> 00:23:21.740\nno matter the outcomes that we face.\n\n531\n00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:23.260\nSo you're talking about language\n\n532\n00:23:23.260 --> 00:23:24.820\nthat was being used in this building\n\n533\n00:23:24.820 --> 00:23:28.900\nthat was totally counter to the philosophy\n\n534\n00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:31.100\nthat a hold to be true in life.\n\n535\n00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:36.100\nAnd so you're just constantly messaging, reinforcing,\n\n536\n00:23:36.100 --> 00:23:40.460\nholding account where there's misalignment.\n\n537\n00:23:40.460 --> 00:23:42.540\nAnd then you see how people respond.\n\n538\n00:23:42.540 --> 00:23:44.140\nAnd if they're not willing to change\n\n539\n00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:48.380\nand take on the new vision and not just take it on,\n\n540\n00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:50.300\nbut take it on as their own,\n\n541\n00:23:50.300 --> 00:23:51.860\nthen it's time to change the people.\n\n542\n00:23:51.860 --> 00:23:53.700\nAnd we have to have a shift in personnel\n\n543\n00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:56.740\nbecause, you know, ultimately without that level\n\n544\n00:23:56.740 --> 00:24:00.780\nof alignment, the losing attitude persists.\n\n545\n00:24:00.780 --> 00:24:04.020\nWe have very specific staff principles around this\n\n546\n00:24:04.020 --> 00:24:09.020\nand kind of value statements that we, you know,\n\n547\n00:24:09.220 --> 00:24:12.220\nthat we use intentionally because, you know,\n\n548\n00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:15.140\nI understood how challenging it was going to be.\n\n549\n00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:18.740\nAgain, what you don't realize\n\n550\n00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:21.340\nis not just how the world perceives us,\n\n551\n00:24:21.340 --> 00:24:23.700\nbut it's how we're perceived locally.\n\n552\n00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:25.180\nIt's how we're perceived on campus.\n\n553\n00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:28.300\nIt's how we're perceived in the Nashville community.\n\n554\n00:24:28.300 --> 00:24:31.580\nAnd you have to obviously focus internally\n\n555\n00:24:31.580 --> 00:24:35.100\nto have any chance for ripple effect outside of the building.\n\n556\n00:24:35.100 --> 00:24:40.100\nBut certainly until you can change the local attitudes,\n\n557\n00:24:40.100 --> 00:24:45.260\nyou got no chance of influencing the bigger picture.\n\n558\n00:24:45.260 --> 00:24:48.300\nAnd so all of that stuff becomes a part of the fight\n\n559\n00:24:48.300 --> 00:24:50.780\nand honestly a part of the fun too.\n\n560\n00:24:50.780 --> 00:24:53.300\n- Yeah, you know, you know, a lot of leaders\n\n561\n00:24:53.300 --> 00:24:55.180\nwhen they come into situations like yours,\n\n562\n00:24:55.180 --> 00:24:58.980\nthey do something to basically shock the system.\n\n563\n00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:03.100\nYou know, let people know there's a new sheriff in town.\n\n564\n00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:05.180\nYou know, was there something when you look back\n\n565\n00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:07.100\nwhen you say this is what I did where everybody says,\n\n566\n00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:09.780\noh, this is going to be a little different around here?\n\n567\n00:25:09.780 --> 00:25:12.900\n- Yeah, I mean, I think if you asked our team,\n\n568\n00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:15.140\nI think they would tell you every day was that.\n\n569\n00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:17.860\nI mean, I believe that they, you know,\n\n570\n00:25:17.860 --> 00:25:21.740\nthe experience they had was just, it was totally,\n\n571\n00:25:21.740 --> 00:25:23.300\nit was a total transformation.\n\n572\n00:25:23.300 --> 00:25:25.340\nI will say that we had a, you know,\n\n573\n00:25:25.340 --> 00:25:27.540\nabout after about a month of messaging\n\n574\n00:25:27.540 --> 00:25:29.300\nand before we started spring practice,\n\n575\n00:25:29.300 --> 00:25:32.700\nwe had a really challenging workout\n\n576\n00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:35.660\nat the end of February and then we had this ceremonious start.\n\n577\n00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:39.140\nSo the idea was we were going to get together\n\n578\n00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:43.380\nand after again, a really hard workout in the stadium\n\n579\n00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:45.180\nat night under the lights,\n\n580\n00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:47.340\nwe were going to then talk about\n\n581\n00:25:47.340 --> 00:25:49.380\nwhere the program needs to go, where it is, where it needs to go.\n\n582\n00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:53.420\nSo I split the team up into eight teams.\n\n583\n00:25:53.420 --> 00:25:57.700\nI had each team nominate a spokesperson\n\n584\n00:25:57.700 --> 00:25:59.860\nand I asked them to come up with three things\n\n585\n00:25:59.860 --> 00:26:03.220\nthat were player driven that have held the program back\n\n586\n00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:04.060\nin its past.\n\n587\n00:26:04.060 --> 00:26:06.700\nAnd so they came up, each group came up with three\n\n588\n00:26:06.700 --> 00:26:08.780\nthat gave us 24.\n\n589\n00:26:08.780 --> 00:26:11.940\nI had them, you know, the spokesperson get up, read it.\n\n590\n00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:14.580\nAnd then we had like this literal garbage can fire\n\n591\n00:26:14.580 --> 00:26:17.940\non the field and it was, you know, it was lit.\n\n592\n00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:20.260\nAnd so then they'd read it and they'd burn it\n\n593\n00:26:20.260 --> 00:26:21.980\nand release it to the past.\n\n594\n00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:24.500\nI then had them go back in their teams\n\n595\n00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:27.900\nand come up with, you know, three things they were willing\n\n596\n00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:30.580\nto do to change had to be player driven.\n\n597\n00:26:30.580 --> 00:26:32.380\nThis couldn't be anything about play calls\n\n598\n00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:34.740\nor anything like that.\n\n599\n00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:38.820\nSo they came up with three things they were willing\n\n600\n00:26:38.820 --> 00:26:41.100\nto commit to to change.\n\n601\n00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:42.700\nAnd that gave us 24.\n\n602\n00:26:42.700 --> 00:26:45.380\nI sent the spokespeople into the locker room.\n\n603\n00:26:45.380 --> 00:26:48.420\nThe rest of the team stood at attention on the field\n\n604\n00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:49.260\nwith the lights off.\n\n605\n00:26:49.260 --> 00:26:50.980\nThere was a spotlight on the midfield logo.\n\n606\n00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:51.820\nIt's very dramatic.\n\n607\n00:26:51.820 --> 00:26:53.220\nI was just trying to create some semblance,\n\n608\n00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:54.620\nsome psychological break.\n\n609\n00:26:54.620 --> 00:26:57.900\nIt's like, you know, what we were before\n\n610\n00:26:57.900 --> 00:26:59.900\nand what we are now after this moment\n\n611\n00:26:59.900 --> 00:27:01.420\nare two different things.\n\n612\n00:27:01.420 --> 00:27:03.660\nAnd, you know, what was really, really neat,\n\n613\n00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:05.780\nthose eight leaders took 24 things\n\n614\n00:27:05.780 --> 00:27:09.860\nand condensed them to five that became our covenants.\n\n615\n00:27:09.860 --> 00:27:13.380\nSo that we really held near and dear for five years.\n\n616\n00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:16.780\nI retired them last year because we live them out now.\n\n617\n00:27:16.780 --> 00:27:20.180\nWe don't have to spend, but this used to be the first thing\n\n618\n00:27:20.180 --> 00:27:21.820\nsomeone had to learn coming in the program\n\n619\n00:27:21.820 --> 00:27:23.220\nwhere the five covenants had to know them.\n\n620\n00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:24.740\nI could call on you at any point in time.\n\n621\n00:27:24.740 --> 00:27:26.380\nYou had to be able to recite them.\n\n622\n00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:32.420\nAnd so, you know, this was an example\n\n623\n00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:36.380\nof a group of people who had experienced something\n\n624\n00:27:36.380 --> 00:27:40.820\nwho knew how to articulate where change needed to come,\n\n625\n00:27:40.820 --> 00:27:42.940\nbut really struggled to practice\n\n626\n00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:45.860\nor to actualize that through behaviors.\n\n627\n00:27:45.860 --> 00:27:49.260\nAnd so the identifying the problems\n\n628\n00:27:49.260 --> 00:27:51.740\nand the solutions isn't the hard part.\n\n629\n00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:55.020\nIt's how we live those out every single day\n\n630\n00:27:55.020 --> 00:27:57.420\nthat become, and so that they become our identity,\n\n631\n00:27:57.420 --> 00:27:58.820\nthere's where the real challenge is.\n\n632\n00:27:58.820 --> 00:28:00.940\nAnd that's ultimately what takes the time\n\n633\n00:28:00.940 --> 00:28:04.060\nto go from what we were to what we are now.\n\n634\n00:28:04.060 --> 00:28:04.900\n- I love that.\n\n635\n00:28:04.900 --> 00:28:07.460\nAnd, you know, I've heard this and I just love this phrase,\n\n636\n00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:10.540\nwhich is you say belief is a practice,\n\n637\n00:28:10.540 --> 00:28:12.180\nwhich begs the question, you know,\n\n638\n00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:14.500\nhow do you practice belief?\n\n639\n00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:19.100\n- I was here as a coach and I listened to common spoke\n\n640\n00:28:19.100 --> 00:28:24.100\nat our to like a student group and I went and listened\n\n641\n00:28:24.100 --> 00:28:26.780\nand this phrase, belief is a practice.\n\n642\n00:28:26.780 --> 00:28:30.100\nI pulled directly from his remarks\n\n643\n00:28:30.100 --> 00:28:34.540\nand what he was talking about in his career as a rapper,\n\n644\n00:28:34.540 --> 00:28:36.260\nas a performer early on,\n\n645\n00:28:36.260 --> 00:28:38.620\nyou meet way more nose than you meet yeses.\n\n646\n00:28:38.620 --> 00:28:42.420\nAnd so, you know, he was having to spend a ton of time\n\n647\n00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:44.580\nselling CDs out of the trunk of his car\n\n648\n00:28:44.580 --> 00:28:47.140\nand there was no indication that he was gonna be successful.\n\n649\n00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:51.020\nAnd really, there was no one outside of himself\n\n650\n00:28:51.020 --> 00:28:54.860\nthat, you know, that felt like he would become anything,\n\n651\n00:28:54.860 --> 00:28:57.860\nbut he had this belief within himself.\n\n652\n00:28:57.860 --> 00:29:00.820\nAnd that's why he kept recording music.\n\n653\n00:29:00.820 --> 00:29:03.180\nThat's why he kept selling out of his trunk of his car.\n\n654\n00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:05.900\nThat's where he'd go anywhere and everywhere to perform\n\n655\n00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:09.420\nand to practice this craft.\n\n656\n00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.500\nAnd so, it resonated with me so much\n\n657\n00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:15.500\nbecause the head coach at Vanderbilt,\n\n658\n00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.820\nI get everyone's best, you know, self.\n\n659\n00:29:18.820 --> 00:29:20.980\nSo, everyone wants to say the right things,\n\n660\n00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:23.420\ndo the right things around me.\n\n661\n00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:27.380\nBut really, what happens away from my eyes\n\n662\n00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:29.900\nbecomes everything in building the program\n\n663\n00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:33.060\nand it also reveals like what their true belief is.\n\n664\n00:29:33.060 --> 00:29:36.420\nAnd so, you can apply this to anything.\n\n665\n00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:39.700\nYou know, how many people are willing to speak\n\n666\n00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:41.020\ntheir dreams or their goals,\n\n667\n00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:43.940\nbut they're not really willing to do the work.\n\n668\n00:29:43.940 --> 00:29:48.260\nI think it's very easy for us to carry these symbols\n\n669\n00:29:48.260 --> 00:29:52.020\nof success around or statements of success.\n\n670\n00:29:52.020 --> 00:29:53.620\nI want to go to the NFL.\n\n671\n00:29:53.620 --> 00:29:55.900\nI want to win a national championship.\n\n672\n00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:59.380\nBut then we turn around and we do work that reveals\n\n673\n00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:00.740\nthat, you know, we don't actually know\n\n674\n00:30:00.740 --> 00:30:01.940\nthat we have a chance to do that.\n\n675\n00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:03.540\nSo, belief is a practice.\n\n676\n00:30:03.540 --> 00:30:08.460\nThis is not a feeling, it's not an emotion, it's not a dream.\n\n677\n00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:11.300\nIt is literally what you're doing,\n\n678\n00:30:11.300 --> 00:30:14.780\nreflects what you believe possible in the endeavor\n\n679\n00:30:14.780 --> 00:30:15.820\nthat you're taking on.\n\n680\n00:30:15.820 --> 00:30:17.540\nAnd so, as the coach at Vanderbilt,\n\n681\n00:30:17.540 --> 00:30:19.940\nthat means I don't need a team\n\n682\n00:30:19.940 --> 00:30:22.100\nthat's the best trash talking team in the country.\n\n683\n00:30:22.100 --> 00:30:23.740\nI need a team that's the hardest working team\n\n684\n00:30:23.740 --> 00:30:26.580\nin the country because what you are literally willing\n\n685\n00:30:26.580 --> 00:30:31.420\nto sacrifice for this program and its effort to win\n\n686\n00:30:31.420 --> 00:30:33.220\nand that's our mission is winning,\n\n687\n00:30:33.220 --> 00:30:36.220\nwill tell me how much you believe\n\n688\n00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:40.220\nthat the dreams we have as a program are possible.\n\n689\n00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:42.620\nBelief is a practice.\n\n690\n00:30:42.620 --> 00:30:44.540\n- You obviously have this strong belief,\n\n691\n00:30:44.540 --> 00:30:47.180\nthis incredible belief that you could turn the program around\n\n692\n00:30:47.180 --> 00:30:50.860\nand you could have the kind of success you're now having.\n\n693\n00:30:50.860 --> 00:30:54.060\nWhat were the smaller signals early on\n\n694\n00:30:54.060 --> 00:30:56.740\nthat gave you confidence that you were headed\n\n695\n00:30:56.740 --> 00:31:01.460\nin the right direction and how did you celebrate them\n\n696\n00:31:01.460 --> 00:31:02.460\nwith the team?\n\n697\n00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:04.580\n- Yeah, well, they certainly weren't results.\n\n698\n00:31:04.580 --> 00:31:08.260\nSo, you know, it was little behaviors,\n\n699\n00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:13.060\nlittle actions, people taking the smallest of message\n\n700\n00:31:13.060 --> 00:31:15.900\nand applying it and it getting back to me.\n\n701\n00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:19.300\nI'll tell you, like early on, I mean, and again,\n\n702\n00:31:19.300 --> 00:31:23.180\nthere's a group of players that were with us in year one\n\n703\n00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:25.860\nthat I certainly wouldn't be here without them.\n\n704\n00:31:25.860 --> 00:31:29.780\nTheir willingness to see this program is something different\n\n705\n00:31:29.780 --> 00:31:32.620\nmeant the world and made all the difference.\n\n706\n00:31:32.620 --> 00:31:35.420\nBut one of the things that comes with losing again,\n\n707\n00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:38.020\ngo back to this kind of a plaque that covers everything\n\n708\n00:31:38.020 --> 00:31:43.020\nis you start to change the way you interact with the world.\n\n709\n00:31:43.020 --> 00:31:46.420\nI think, you know, from a standpoint of confidence\n\n710\n00:31:46.420 --> 00:31:48.740\nor even a standpoint of like,\n\n711\n00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:50.460\n\"Hey, I'm proud of what I represent.\"\n\n712\n00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:55.460\nAnd so, you know, we talk about the limits of the community\n\n713\n00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:58.980\nor the circle that we create here as a program\n\n714\n00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:03.700\nand where belonging is a part of being in that circle.\n\n715\n00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:05.780\nThat's not the end of self,\n\n716\n00:32:05.780 --> 00:32:08.180\nit's the start of the full expression of self.\n\n717\n00:32:08.180 --> 00:32:11.620\nAnd so what I mean by that is the standards and behaviors\n\n718\n00:32:11.620 --> 00:32:15.860\nthat we identify membership in this program with.\n\n719\n00:32:15.860 --> 00:32:19.540\nSo the things that we choose to do and choose not to do\n\n720\n00:32:19.540 --> 00:32:24.420\nare restrictive, they are representative of sacrifice,\n\n721\n00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:27.060\nbut we believe the space within that circle\n\n722\n00:32:27.060 --> 00:32:29.180\nis the space for full expression of who you are.\n\n723\n00:32:29.180 --> 00:32:31.740\nAnd so I would watch these guys,\n\n724\n00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:34.740\nhow they would interact with the community,\n\n725\n00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:36.780\ninteract with each other.\n\n726\n00:32:36.780 --> 00:32:39.580\nYou know, like something as simple as,\n\n727\n00:32:39.580 --> 00:32:43.260\nI can remember a group of players when I first got here,\n\n728\n00:32:43.260 --> 00:32:45.900\nthis would have been maybe the first couple of months.\n\n729\n00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:50.220\nI'm standing in the hallway with Earl Bennett,\n\n730\n00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:52.580\nwho was serving in a player development role.\n\n731\n00:32:52.580 --> 00:32:55.500\nHe now serves in the departmental GM role for us.\n\n732\n00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:58.020\nAnd he, it was his wife and his daughter\n\n733\n00:32:58.020 --> 00:32:59.660\nwere standing there with us.\n\n734\n00:32:59.660 --> 00:33:01.380\nEarl and I were talking.\n\n735\n00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:02.940\nYou know, I'm the head coach of the program.\n\n736\n00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:06.260\nAnd again, that doesn't put me on any kind of pedestal,\n\n737\n00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:08.180\nbut this is early in,\n\n738\n00:33:08.180 --> 00:33:10.980\nand we're all looking to make good impressions.\n\n739\n00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:13.620\nEarl is an essential part of the program,\n\n740\n00:33:13.620 --> 00:33:18.060\nalso a former brandable player who had incredible success\n\n741\n00:33:18.060 --> 00:33:21.260\nin college, went on to great success in the NFL,\n\n742\n00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:22.180\nand his family's there.\n\n743\n00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:24.940\nSo again, trying to create an appreciation\n\n744\n00:33:24.940 --> 00:33:27.420\nwith the players of the sacrifice that coach makes.\n\n745\n00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:29.700\nWe're not victimized by it, but you know,\n\n746\n00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:32.980\nwhen we have opportunity to engage with families\n\n747\n00:33:32.980 --> 00:33:35.500\nand to bring them in and to make them feel apart,\n\n748\n00:33:35.500 --> 00:33:37.340\nwe do this with player families too.\n\n749\n00:33:37.340 --> 00:33:39.580\nWe want this to feel like a community.\n\n750\n00:33:39.580 --> 00:33:43.020\nWell, this group of players was in conversation\n\n751\n00:33:43.020 --> 00:33:44.700\nthat honestly was a little too loud.\n\n752\n00:33:44.700 --> 00:33:46.460\nI mean, we were in shared space at this point.\n\n753\n00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:49.580\nSo a little too loud, a little too colorful,\n\n754\n00:33:49.580 --> 00:33:52.100\nand they walked directly past us.\n\n755\n00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:55.100\nNo eye contact, no hello, no acknowledgement of Earl's,\n\n756\n00:33:55.100 --> 00:33:57.580\nwife, his kids, none of it.\n\n757\n00:33:57.580 --> 00:33:59.900\nAnd so I ran after him down the hallway,\n\n758\n00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:04.620\nand I brought him back and I had him shake hands\n\n759\n00:34:04.620 --> 00:34:07.060\nwith Earl's wife and introduce themselves.\n\n760\n00:34:07.060 --> 00:34:10.940\nAnd again, it's an example of not of the character\n\n761\n00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:13.380\nof these players, these kids.\n\n762\n00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:16.980\nIt's just, hey, what are the standards and behaviors\n\n763\n00:34:16.980 --> 00:34:20.420\nthat represent membership here?\n\n764\n00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:23.140\nAnd do you understand how important you are?\n\n765\n00:34:23.140 --> 00:34:25.940\nLike I think sometimes their instinct is,\n\n766\n00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:27.380\nokay, because we haven't had results,\n\n767\n00:34:27.380 --> 00:34:29.140\nbecause it hasn't been whatever,\n\n768\n00:34:29.140 --> 00:34:31.220\nthey pull back and they withdraw.\n\n769\n00:34:31.220 --> 00:34:33.860\nWhat we need for them to do is understand\n\n770\n00:34:33.860 --> 00:34:36.260\nhow important they are to step in and engage.\n\n771\n00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:39.820\nAnd so as I started to see those interactions change,\n\n772\n00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:41.940\nI realized that we were on the right track\n\n773\n00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:44.340\nand part of finding results for me\n\n774\n00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:48.820\nwas not actually deviating from those standards and behaviors.\n\n775\n00:34:48.820 --> 00:34:52.940\nIt was how we made systems adjustments around those\n\n776\n00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:55.420\nso that we were tactically weaponized\n\n777\n00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:58.860\nand we were more effective as a football team as a result.\n\n778\n00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:01.780\n- Hello friends, I hope you're loving this conversation.\n\n779\n00:35:01.780 --> 00:35:04.180\nBe sure to stay tuned to the very end of the episode.\n\n780\n00:35:04.180 --> 00:35:06.460\nAs always, David and I are going to debrief\n\n781\n00:35:06.460 --> 00:35:08.340\nsome of the concepts that he talks about\n\n782\n00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:09.580\nwith this week's guests.\n\n783\n00:35:09.580 --> 00:35:13.540\nSo stay tuned to the very end, and I will see you soon.\n\n784\n00:35:13.540 --> 00:35:16.260\n- You know, Clark, you go two and 10 your first year,\n\n785\n00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:18.340\nthen five and seven, great progress.\n\n786\n00:35:18.340 --> 00:35:20.420\nThen you go back to two and 10.\n\n787\n00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:25.420\nHow did you maintain your beliefs and values\n\n788\n00:35:25.420 --> 00:35:28.820\nin the face of that decline?\n\n789\n00:35:28.820 --> 00:35:32.740\n- Yeah, so your one was really hard.\n\n790\n00:35:32.740 --> 00:35:36.900\nYour one was like, you know, the ultimate and cold plunge\n\n791\n00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:37.740\nwhere you're like, oh my God,\n\n792\n00:35:37.740 --> 00:35:39.580\nyou wake up to the reality of the task,\n\n793\n00:35:39.580 --> 00:35:41.860\nthe magnitude of the task.\n\n794\n00:35:41.860 --> 00:35:43.740\nYour two felt like a real breakthrough,\n\n795\n00:35:43.740 --> 00:35:46.460\nbut here's the reality of that second season.\n\n796\n00:35:46.460 --> 00:35:48.420\nWe, I think there were three games\n\n797\n00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:51.860\nthat we lost to combine like 155 to three.\n\n798\n00:35:51.860 --> 00:35:55.820\nSo we went at Georgia, at Alabama, Tennessee at home.\n\n799\n00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:59.300\nAnd I mean, the distance between us\n\n800\n00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:01.580\nand the top of the league was dramatic.\n\n801\n00:36:01.580 --> 00:36:05.140\nNow, that little uptick in success lied to me\n\n802\n00:36:05.140 --> 00:36:08.100\nabout doubling down on systems and process.\n\n803\n00:36:08.100 --> 00:36:10.780\nAnd so I wasn't skilled enough yet\n\n804\n00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:12.700\nto kind of really be able to kind of take\n\n805\n00:36:12.700 --> 00:36:15.660\na big picture view of, hey, this is, you know,\n\n806\n00:36:15.660 --> 00:36:17.020\nthis is what we're doing offensively,\n\n807\n00:36:17.020 --> 00:36:19.380\ndefensively in terms of special teams.\n\n808\n00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:21.620\nI thought that another win would come\n\n809\n00:36:21.620 --> 00:36:23.580\njust out of doing the same stuff over.\n\n810\n00:36:23.580 --> 00:36:26.620\nAnd so I missed on some things at the same time\n\n811\n00:36:26.620 --> 00:36:28.020\nthere was this breaking of the team\n\n812\n00:36:28.020 --> 00:36:30.660\nwhere some of the old experienced players leave.\n\n813\n00:36:30.660 --> 00:36:33.140\nWe didn't have NIL systems at the time.\n\n814\n00:36:33.140 --> 00:36:35.700\nSo we weren't able to retain guys that went on to,\n\n815\n00:36:35.700 --> 00:36:37.780\nyou know, leaders that went on to free agent grades\n\n816\n00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:38.900\nin the NFL.\n\n817\n00:36:38.900 --> 00:36:40.540\nWe were desperate to take that next step.\n\n818\n00:36:40.540 --> 00:36:42.380\nSo we hung on to productive players\n\n819\n00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:45.060\nthat, that didn't necessarily fit our program.\n\n820\n00:36:45.060 --> 00:36:48.860\nAnd we were trying to grow in year three young leaders\n\n821\n00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:51.860\nfrom the kids that the players that we had recruited.\n\n822\n00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:54.740\nAnd it kind of mixed together for this formula\n\n823\n00:36:54.740 --> 00:36:57.380\nthat was, you know, we were underperforming\n\n824\n00:36:57.380 --> 00:36:58.900\non the field as a football team,\n\n825\n00:36:58.900 --> 00:37:03.380\nbut we did not have the fiber in the locker room\n\n826\n00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:07.220\nto withstand the struggle of kind of a season\n\n827\n00:37:07.220 --> 00:37:10.220\nthat was going to be challenging from the start.\n\n828\n00:37:10.220 --> 00:37:12.420\nAnd so I think in a lot of ways in year three,\n\n829\n00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:14.620\nit, it, I mean, it broke, you know, I mean,\n\n830\n00:37:14.620 --> 00:37:17.300\nI, I, not, not to go all the way into it.\n\n831\n00:37:17.300 --> 00:37:20.060\nBut I mean, there was a point in time in that fall\n\n832\n00:37:20.060 --> 00:37:22.060\nwhere I had a, basically a closed door meeting\n\n833\n00:37:22.060 --> 00:37:24.940\nwith the team instead of practicing on the week\n\n834\n00:37:24.940 --> 00:37:26.940\nthat was supposed to be senior week,\n\n835\n00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:30.820\naddressing this, this rot that had grown internally.\n\n836\n00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:32.660\nAnd, you know, I mean, I don't know much,\n\n837\n00:37:32.660 --> 00:37:34.780\nbut, but I know for us to win here,\n\n838\n00:37:34.780 --> 00:37:35.980\nthere has to be identity.\n\n839\n00:37:35.980 --> 00:37:37.500\nThere has to be competitive character.\n\n840\n00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:39.420\nWe have to care about each other.\n\n841\n00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:41.060\nAnd when those things aren't showing up,\n\n842\n00:37:41.060 --> 00:37:41.980\nthere's no chance.\n\n843\n00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:46.980\nAnd so how did I, you know, withstand it all?\n\n844\n00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:50.860\nI mean, certainly I'm, I'm supported at home\n\n845\n00:37:50.860 --> 00:37:52.380\nby my wife, Alison, my children.\n\n846\n00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:53.620\nThat was huge.\n\n847\n00:37:53.620 --> 00:37:56.620\nI needed a place sometimes to go and to,\n\n848\n00:37:56.620 --> 00:37:58.580\nto vomit everything out.\n\n849\n00:37:58.580 --> 00:37:59.580\nYeah.\n\n850\n00:37:59.580 --> 00:38:00.860\n- There's something in there.\n\n851\n00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:01.900\n- Yeah. Oh, yeah.\n\n852\n00:38:01.900 --> 00:38:04.060\nThere are really important staff members here\n\n853\n00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:07.700\nthat were, that again, you know, that in my worst moments,\n\n854\n00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:10.620\nthey were with me and, and able to help me\n\n855\n00:38:10.620 --> 00:38:13.620\nkind of, I think of Ben Colton in particular,\n\n856\n00:38:13.620 --> 00:38:16.900\njust rather than, you know, spiral out of control,\n\n857\n00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:18.940\nwhich you realize how quickly you can do that\n\n858\n00:38:18.940 --> 00:38:20.900\nin these leadership positions.\n\n859\n00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:23.940\nYou know, he helped me in a really maintain perspective\n\n860\n00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:25.620\nand, and keep a long-term approach,\n\n861\n00:38:25.620 --> 00:38:29.140\neven though in the moment you just want to triage everything.\n\n862\n00:38:29.140 --> 00:38:30.540\nAnd then, you know, honestly,\n\n863\n00:38:30.540 --> 00:38:32.580\nour athletic director, Candice Lee is the best leader\n\n864\n00:38:32.580 --> 00:38:34.180\nI've ever been around when I was at my worst.\n\n865\n00:38:34.180 --> 00:38:38.060\nShe was at her best total partner in those moments.\n\n866\n00:38:38.060 --> 00:38:40.020\nNever once came down the hall and said,\n\n867\n00:38:40.020 --> 00:38:42.100\n\"You got to, you got to fix this.\"\n\n868\n00:38:42.100 --> 00:38:46.140\nAlways was, \"How do we, you know, how can I support you?\"\n\n869\n00:38:46.140 --> 00:38:48.660\nHey, and she would point out the small wins, you know,\n\n870\n00:38:48.660 --> 00:38:50.100\nwhich is just such a gift.\n\n871\n00:38:50.100 --> 00:38:55.100\nBut I kept coming back to this in the, in the lowest moments,\n\n872\n00:38:55.100 --> 00:38:59.500\nyou know, what, what it really shifted from,\n\n873\n00:38:59.500 --> 00:39:02.660\nyou know, how do I win at Vanderbilt to like,\n\n874\n00:39:02.660 --> 00:39:03.660\nwhat am I learning?\n\n875\n00:39:03.660 --> 00:39:06.540\nWhat am I learning from this experience\n\n876\n00:39:06.540 --> 00:39:08.100\nthat's helping me grow?\n\n877\n00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:11.020\nAnd as I grow, I'm going to give the program a chance to grow.\n\n878\n00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:12.540\nAnd that really became the point.\n\n879\n00:39:12.540 --> 00:39:14.700\nAnd if you think about things that way,\n\n880\n00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:18.060\nyou realize that your breakthroughs are actually a result\n\n881\n00:39:18.060 --> 00:39:20.100\nof these, these critical learning moments\n\n882\n00:39:20.100 --> 00:39:22.460\nthat if you spend too much time licking your wounds,\n\n883\n00:39:22.460 --> 00:39:23.460\nyou miss them.\n\n884\n00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:26.300\nAnd that's where you really, you really learned that,\n\n885\n00:39:26.300 --> 00:39:29.540\nyou know, while you obviously had the roles ahead coach,\n\n886\n00:39:29.540 --> 00:39:31.940\nyou had to release the power to make it happen\n\n887\n00:39:31.940 --> 00:39:34.700\nwith your, with your coaches and your team\n\n888\n00:39:34.700 --> 00:39:36.660\nand then hold them accountable for it.\n\n889\n00:39:36.660 --> 00:39:38.380\nThat's exactly right.\n\n890\n00:39:38.380 --> 00:39:42.620\n- And, you know, you're competing in the toughest conference\n\n891\n00:39:42.620 --> 00:39:45.220\nin the country and football.\n\n892\n00:39:45.220 --> 00:39:47.980\nI mean, the SEC has tons of money.\n\n893\n00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:52.980\nEvery team is fighting for, you know, NIL, portal, you know,\n\n894\n00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:55.780\nI mean, you got all, it's a whole different game out there,\n\n895\n00:39:55.780 --> 00:39:57.660\nwhich I'm sure you alluded to when you're talking about\n\n896\n00:39:57.660 --> 00:40:00.700\nhow you coaches get together and talk about the issues\n\n897\n00:40:00.700 --> 00:40:02.020\nthat you have to deal with.\n\n898\n00:40:02.020 --> 00:40:03.500\nYou just can't have a team build it.\n\n899\n00:40:03.500 --> 00:40:07.420\nYou can lose your best player the next year.\n\n900\n00:40:07.420 --> 00:40:09.340\nYou know, that's really tough stuff.\n\n901\n00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:12.500\nBut you have to have money, you know, and, you know,\n\n902\n00:40:12.500 --> 00:40:14.580\nyou're a Vanderbilt and you're not Georgia,\n\n903\n00:40:14.580 --> 00:40:17.940\nyou're not Alabama, you're not LSU, you know,\n\n904\n00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:20.700\nhow do you think about raising the money it takes\n\n905\n00:40:20.700 --> 00:40:22.820\nto compete in the SEC?\n\n906\n00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:24.020\n- Yeah, you know, it's funny.\n\n907\n00:40:24.020 --> 00:40:27.740\nI like one thing that I'm also not as a fundraiser, you know,\n\n908\n00:40:27.740 --> 00:40:29.340\nthat never cut my chops.\n\n909\n00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:31.020\nI can communicate what I need.\n\n910\n00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:34.660\nI'm putting trust in people that know how to do that\n\n911\n00:40:34.660 --> 00:40:36.020\nand do it really effectively.\n\n912\n00:40:36.020 --> 00:40:39.260\nBut what we've been able to do is,\n\n913\n00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:41.340\nI've always had my doors open here.\n\n914\n00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:44.860\nI felt like, because there were these little special things\n\n915\n00:40:44.860 --> 00:40:47.140\nthat were coming to life within the program\n\n916\n00:40:47.140 --> 00:40:50.140\nthat weren't always showing up in results,\n\n917\n00:40:50.140 --> 00:40:52.780\nI felt like the more I could give people an inside glimpse\n\n918\n00:40:52.780 --> 00:40:54.780\ninto who we were and what we were doing\n\n919\n00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:57.540\nand who our players were and what they were about,\n\n920\n00:40:57.540 --> 00:41:00.340\nthat that would be inspirational for people\n\n921\n00:41:00.340 --> 00:41:02.380\nto get involved and involvement to be,\n\n922\n00:41:02.380 --> 00:41:03.620\ncan certainly be an IL.\n\n923\n00:41:03.620 --> 00:41:06.180\nBut my ask honestly early on was just, you know,\n\n924\n00:41:06.180 --> 00:41:07.740\nshow up for the games, please.\n\n925\n00:41:07.740 --> 00:41:10.820\nAnd let's create an energy and excitement\n\n926\n00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.460\naround the program together.\n\n927\n00:41:12.460 --> 00:41:15.580\nAnd so what's happened is, you know,\n\n928\n00:41:15.580 --> 00:41:18.140\nand this is really a credit to Candace\n\n929\n00:41:18.140 --> 00:41:21.380\nbecause in a moment where I think so many people\n\n930\n00:41:21.380 --> 00:41:23.580\nwere pulling back and gosh,\n\n931\n00:41:23.580 --> 00:41:26.220\nwas it, it would have been easy coming out of 23\n\n932\n00:41:26.220 --> 00:41:28.620\nto say, you know, hey, look,\n\n933\n00:41:28.620 --> 00:41:31.620\nthis hasn't built to a point where we want to invest in it.\n\n934\n00:41:31.620 --> 00:41:33.740\nYou know, she took the opposite approach.\n\n935\n00:41:33.740 --> 00:41:34.660\nI believe in my coach,\n\n936\n00:41:34.660 --> 00:41:36.020\nI believe in the direction of the program.\n\n937\n00:41:36.020 --> 00:41:36.860\nI know he needs,\n\n938\n00:41:36.860 --> 00:41:39.100\nand we had an honest conversation around this.\n\n939\n00:41:39.100 --> 00:41:41.140\nI know he needs resources.\n\n940\n00:41:41.140 --> 00:41:42.580\nAnd I had told her specifically\n\n941\n00:41:42.580 --> 00:41:44.900\nthat if we didn't get those resources,\n\n942\n00:41:44.900 --> 00:41:45.980\nwe weren't going to have a team\n\n943\n00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:47.620\nbecause it was becoming really apparent\n\n944\n00:41:47.620 --> 00:41:50.420\nthat this is where the world was going and--\n\n945\n00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:51.620\n- What'd you ask for, Clark?\n\n946\n00:41:51.620 --> 00:41:54.060\nWhat'd you ask her for?\n\n947\n00:41:54.060 --> 00:41:58.300\n- In January of 23, so we're in the winter of 23,\n\n948\n00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:01.220\nwe're heading into the hardest year that we've had here,\n\n949\n00:42:01.220 --> 00:42:03.940\nreally, and I asked for $3 million.\n\n950\n00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:07.340\nI said, if we don't have $3 million by the end of season,\n\n951\n00:42:07.340 --> 00:42:09.300\nwe're not going to have a team.\n\n952\n00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:12.780\nAnd I'm going to tell you that in one week in December,\n\n953\n00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:14.180\nthat number doubled, you know,\n\n954\n00:42:14.180 --> 00:42:17.860\nand that's just, that's the nature of where we are.\n\n955\n00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:21.780\nAnd I do think we were doing things experientially here\n\n956\n00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:24.540\nthat were really positive and drew people back.\n\n957\n00:42:24.540 --> 00:42:28.180\nAnd the guys that believed before this evidence,\n\n958\n00:42:28.180 --> 00:42:30.740\nyou know, there was such a powerful core of people\n\n959\n00:42:30.740 --> 00:42:32.020\nthat stayed with us.\n\n960\n00:42:32.020 --> 00:42:34.220\nAnd then there were a lot of guys that left,\n\n961\n00:42:34.220 --> 00:42:35.660\nand I think there was something healthy\n\n962\n00:42:35.660 --> 00:42:36.860\nabout that in that moment too.\n\n963\n00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:40.900\nBut that gave way to us, you know, going out,\n\n964\n00:42:40.900 --> 00:42:43.380\nyou know, this financial investment gave way to us\n\n965\n00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:46.500\ngoing out and getting players like Eli Stowers,\n\n966\n00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:48.380\nlike Diego Pabia, like Gorde said,\n\n967\n00:42:48.380 --> 00:42:52.020\nnor like Zalen Wood, I could go on and on and on,\n\n968\n00:42:52.020 --> 00:42:55.140\nthat became kind of this core, you know,\n\n969\n00:42:55.140 --> 00:42:56.820\nof the next couple of years,\n\n970\n00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:58.140\nwhich became our breakthrough years.\n\n971\n00:42:58.140 --> 00:43:03.140\nSo Candice has never batted an eye.\n\n972\n00:43:03.140 --> 00:43:07.580\nShe's never said no, she's never, you know,\n\n973\n00:43:07.580 --> 00:43:11.220\nshe'll ask questions and she's very strategic that way,\n\n974\n00:43:11.220 --> 00:43:14.540\nbut she's a fearless leader\n\n975\n00:43:14.540 --> 00:43:16.900\nwho understands part of leading right now\n\n976\n00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.140\nis you always feel suspended out over the abyss, you know,\n\n977\n00:43:20.140 --> 00:43:22.500\nit's just like inevitable, that's how you feel.\n\n978\n00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:25.140\nI'm lucky to have her because she's not afraid\n\n979\n00:43:25.140 --> 00:43:26.540\nto live life that way.\n\n980\n00:43:26.540 --> 00:43:28.220\n- Well, suspended out over the abyss,\n\n981\n00:43:28.220 --> 00:43:30.060\nyou gotta feel that now because you've done it.\n\n982\n00:43:30.060 --> 00:43:32.740\nI mean, you at least, the first part of your goal\n\n983\n00:43:32.740 --> 00:43:33.620\nis definitely happening.\n\n984\n00:43:33.620 --> 00:43:37.020\nYou had your first 10 win season ever at Vanderbilt,\n\n985\n00:43:37.020 --> 00:43:39.100\nwhich is an amazing feat.\n\n986\n00:43:39.100 --> 00:43:41.740\nHow much pressure do you feel now?\n\n987\n00:43:41.740 --> 00:43:45.980\n- Oh, well, I mean, I feel pressure internally.\n\n988\n00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:50.980\nI mean, honestly, I've just kind of grown numb\n\n989\n00:43:50.980 --> 00:43:55.140\nto anything outside our building.\n\n990\n00:43:55.140 --> 00:43:58.100\nSo I wanna be really good for, you know,\n\n991\n00:43:58.100 --> 00:44:01.660\nthis program for Candice, for the chancellor, for our players.\n\n992\n00:44:01.660 --> 00:44:05.500\nI wanna win for all the people that have had a vision for this,\n\n993\n00:44:05.500 --> 00:44:06.780\nhad the courage to believe in it\n\n994\n00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:10.500\nbefore it became anything that have worked to actualize it.\n\n995\n00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:12.780\nAnd I love the fact that the work that we have\n\n996\n00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:14.180\ncan ripple out into a community\n\n997\n00:44:14.180 --> 00:44:18.260\nand create this really cool partnership with Nashville,\n\n998\n00:44:18.260 --> 00:44:21.020\nwith Vanderbilt alums and Vanderbilt fans.\n\n999\n00:44:21.020 --> 00:44:25.020\nAnd yet, you know, those people respond\n\n1000\n00:44:25.020 --> 00:44:26.660\nto what we do internally.\n\n1001\n00:44:26.660 --> 00:44:30.900\nAnd so the pressure I feel is about what we've done\n\n1002\n00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:32.540\nand what I believe we can do\n\n1003\n00:44:32.540 --> 00:44:35.180\nand this idea that we're not there yet.\n\n1004\n00:44:35.180 --> 00:44:38.700\nI want very badly to be a part of a group\n\n1005\n00:44:38.700 --> 00:44:40.620\nthat takes the next step.\n\n1006\n00:44:40.620 --> 00:44:43.300\nAnd that's all the motivation I need.\n\n1007\n00:44:43.300 --> 00:44:46.140\nAnything beyond that, I think, for me personally,\n\n1008\n00:44:46.140 --> 00:44:48.700\nbecomes unnecessary added weight.\n\n1009\n00:44:48.700 --> 00:44:51.380\nAnd, you know, there's only so many opinions here\n\n1010\n00:44:51.380 --> 00:44:52.660\nthat actually matter.\n\n1011\n00:44:52.660 --> 00:44:54.300\nBut I wanna be able to look at myself in the mirror\n\n1012\n00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:57.180\nand say, we are doing the things\n\n1013\n00:44:57.180 --> 00:45:00.180\nthat we need to do to win a national championship.\n\n1014\n00:45:00.180 --> 00:45:03.100\nI also know that success has seldom linear,\n\n1015\n00:45:03.100 --> 00:45:05.500\nthat we're not guaranteed results.\n\n1016\n00:45:05.500 --> 00:45:08.180\nAnd we have to, whatever comes,\n\n1017\n00:45:08.180 --> 00:45:11.220\nwe have to be ready to attack and respond to it.\n\n1018\n00:45:11.220 --> 00:45:13.220\nBut also, I've got a team that believes,\n\n1019\n00:45:13.220 --> 00:45:14.740\nI believe, deeply in what we can do.\n\n1020\n00:45:14.740 --> 00:45:17.580\nAnd now it's about showing up and playing every Saturday\n\n1021\n00:45:17.580 --> 00:45:21.180\nto a level that represents, you know, Vanderbilt football.\n\n1022\n00:45:21.180 --> 00:45:23.020\n- You know, I was really intrigued by the fact\n\n1023\n00:45:23.020 --> 00:45:26.780\nthat early on, you brought your players together,\n\n1024\n00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:29.140\nyou had that big night, you know,\n\n1025\n00:45:29.140 --> 00:45:32.260\nand, you know, with throwing all the bad behaviors\n\n1026\n00:45:32.260 --> 00:45:33.660\nin the trash can and burning it,\n\n1027\n00:45:33.660 --> 00:45:35.820\nthen, you know, coming back and having your players say,\n\n1028\n00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:36.900\nhey, this is what we need to do.\n\n1029\n00:45:36.900 --> 00:45:40.140\nAnd then you broke it down into five key behaviors, you know?\n\n1030\n00:45:40.140 --> 00:45:44.180\nAnd, you know, without going into those five behaviors,\n\n1031\n00:45:44.180 --> 00:45:46.820\nI want to ask you about something that you said\n\n1032\n00:45:46.820 --> 00:45:48.460\nthat I found was very surprising,\n\n1033\n00:45:48.460 --> 00:45:49.820\n'cause you're a big believer in culture\n\n1034\n00:45:49.820 --> 00:45:52.180\nand all the great companies, all the great leaders,\n\n1035\n00:45:52.180 --> 00:45:54.060\nmake that their number one priority is to,\n\n1036\n00:45:54.060 --> 00:45:55.140\nyou got to have the culture,\n\n1037\n00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:57.020\nyou're never going to get the results.\n\n1038\n00:45:57.020 --> 00:46:00.620\nBut you said, you don't really have to talk about those anymore.\n\n1039\n00:46:00.620 --> 00:46:03.300\nThat kind of surprised me because, you know,\n\n1040\n00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:05.820\nyou got a new players coming in all the time.\n\n1041\n00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.500\nI mean, you seem like you'd have to just be burning in that\n\n1042\n00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:10.180\nin people's brains forever more.\n\n1043\n00:46:10.180 --> 00:46:13.180\nI mean, what have you learned as a leader that would say,\n\n1044\n00:46:13.180 --> 00:46:16.260\nhey, okay, hey, I don't really need to do that anymore?\n\n1045\n00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:21.260\n- Culture to me is the makeup of what I'm a part of.\n\n1046\n00:46:21.260 --> 00:46:23.860\nAnd I want to be proud of what I'm a part of.\n\n1047\n00:46:23.860 --> 00:46:27.500\nAnd so, culture isn't a pathway to results for me.\n\n1048\n00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:32.500\nIt's like, again, it's the full expression of the heart\n\n1049\n00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:36.780\nand the character and the soul of a group of people\n\n1050\n00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:38.420\nthat have come together to do something bigger\n\n1051\n00:46:38.420 --> 00:46:39.620\nthan any one of us.\n\n1052\n00:46:39.620 --> 00:46:42.500\nThat, if it gives way to results,\n\n1053\n00:46:42.500 --> 00:46:45.700\nawesome, obviously, we'll celebrate those like crazy.\n\n1054\n00:46:45.700 --> 00:46:46.780\nBut at the end of the day,\n\n1055\n00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:48.820\nI know that if we've done that right,\n\n1056\n00:46:48.820 --> 00:46:51.300\nI'm going to be proud of the things that we've done together.\n\n1057\n00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:54.100\nAnd that gives me peace of mind.\n\n1058\n00:46:54.100 --> 00:46:55.540\nAnd I don't want that to sound passive\n\n1059\n00:46:55.540 --> 00:46:59.260\nbecause we talk very, very clearly about winning here\n\n1060\n00:46:59.260 --> 00:47:02.580\nand what winning football requires of us.\n\n1061\n00:47:02.580 --> 00:47:06.620\nIt's just independent in 2023 came\n\n1062\n00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:11.180\nand I wasn't proud of the way the team represented the program.\n\n1063\n00:47:11.180 --> 00:47:15.060\nAnd again, when I say that, that's not a reflection of them.\n\n1064\n00:47:15.060 --> 00:47:16.540\nIt's a reflection of me.\n\n1065\n00:47:16.540 --> 00:47:20.260\nSo what are the things that we are going to make sure\n\n1066\n00:47:20.260 --> 00:47:21.340\nare done correctly?\n\n1067\n00:47:21.340 --> 00:47:24.820\nAnd that's where anything but fake comes into play.\n\n1068\n00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:26.060\nWhen you talk about the covenants\n\n1069\n00:47:26.060 --> 00:47:28.980\nand what we retired specifically,\n\n1070\n00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:30.180\nand I don't mind sharing those.\n\n1071\n00:47:30.180 --> 00:47:32.980\nI mean, True Brotherhood was the first one,\n\n1072\n00:47:32.980 --> 00:47:35.620\nwhich I think when they, when I saw that written,\n\n1073\n00:47:35.620 --> 00:47:39.660\nI thought remarkable because writing True Brotherhood\n\n1074\n00:47:39.660 --> 00:47:43.260\nand not just Brotherhood is the recognition of fake Brotherhood.\n\n1075\n00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:45.100\nLike there's something really deep and profound\n\n1076\n00:47:45.100 --> 00:47:46.940\nabout the way they framed that\n\n1077\n00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:48.580\nbecause of what they had experienced here.\n\n1078\n00:47:48.580 --> 00:47:52.460\nSo True Brotherhood was first pride in everything we do.\n\n1079\n00:47:52.460 --> 00:47:54.180\nAnd so this was the idea that anything\n\n1080\n00:47:54.180 --> 00:47:55.580\nthat had our logo on it,\n\n1081\n00:47:55.580 --> 00:47:58.260\nwe were going to take great pride in,\n\n1082\n00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:01.420\nwhich again was an indicator of what we realized\n\n1083\n00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:03.020\nwas a gap that we had to close here\n\n1084\n00:48:03.020 --> 00:48:05.300\nbecause we didn't have a lot of pride in what we were doing.\n\n1085\n00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:07.780\nEarned Every Day was the third,\n\n1086\n00:48:07.780 --> 00:48:12.780\nwhich was just about removing entitlement from the program.\n\n1087\n00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:15.860\nPlayer to player accountability was the fourth,\n\n1088\n00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:19.980\nwhich just was an openness to being coached and critiqued.\n\n1089\n00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:22.380\nIn fact, one of the subnotes that they wrote on the sheet\n\n1090\n00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:24.740\nwas like, take the coaching and the criticism.\n\n1091\n00:48:24.740 --> 00:48:28.980\nLike there was a real aversion to feedback here.\n\n1092\n00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:31.620\nAnd then the fifth one was recycled positive energy,\n\n1093\n00:48:31.620 --> 00:48:35.780\nwhich was just about the existence of negative energy\n\n1094\n00:48:35.780 --> 00:48:37.500\nand how crippling that was.\n\n1095\n00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:39.380\nSo when you think about those five things,\n\n1096\n00:48:39.380 --> 00:48:40.900\nthey're very fundamental.\n\n1097\n00:48:40.900 --> 00:48:42.940\nAnd I don't take those for granted.\n\n1098\n00:48:42.940 --> 00:48:44.940\nAnd we don't leave those.\n\n1099\n00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:47.540\nWe just don't force feed them anymore\n\n1100\n00:48:47.540 --> 00:48:50.220\nbecause it is so organic to this program is\n\n1101\n00:48:50.220 --> 00:48:51.140\nand what we're about.\n\n1102\n00:48:51.140 --> 00:48:56.300\nAnd so I've chosen to move past those\n\n1103\n00:48:56.300 --> 00:48:59.100\nand to create a little more granular,\n\n1104\n00:48:59.100 --> 00:49:02.180\njust change subtly the way we view the things\n\n1105\n00:49:02.180 --> 00:49:03.620\nwe do day in day out.\n\n1106\n00:49:03.620 --> 00:49:05.900\nAnd that was the confidence I had to kind of say,\n\n1107\n00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:06.860\nthis exists here.\n\n1108\n00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:08.140\nNow let's go build further.\n\n1109\n00:49:08.140 --> 00:49:09.060\nLet's go build deeper.\n\n1110\n00:49:09.060 --> 00:49:10.740\nLet's change a little bit\n\n1111\n00:49:10.740 --> 00:49:13.860\nin how we're carving out our foundation.\n\n1112\n00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:16.140\n- So winning now is, winning now is the,\n\n1113\n00:49:16.140 --> 00:49:19.100\nyou've arrived in the sense that your winning program,\n\n1114\n00:49:19.100 --> 00:49:22.420\nit's the expectation, we know what the five things are,\n\n1115\n00:49:22.420 --> 00:49:24.420\nbut I'm not going to make you play them back to me\n\n1116\n00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:27.580\nlike you're, I respect you as an individual\n\n1117\n00:49:27.580 --> 00:49:29.940\nfor buying into this program.\n\n1118\n00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:31.740\n- So like rather than talk about true brotherhood,\n\n1119\n00:49:31.740 --> 00:49:33.140\nwe talk about relatedness sound,\n\n1120\n00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:35.260\nrelatedness is a word for us that means,\n\n1121\n00:49:35.260 --> 00:49:39.980\nagain, it's creating the boundaries of membership\n\n1122\n00:49:39.980 --> 00:49:40.820\nin our program.\n\n1123\n00:49:40.820 --> 00:49:44.220\nIt's creating belonging for, you know,\n\n1124\n00:49:44.220 --> 00:49:45.980\nour teammates and for ourselves.\n\n1125\n00:49:45.980 --> 00:49:49.980\nIt's being willing to be seen for who we are,\n\n1126\n00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:53.620\nlike unguarded without propping up facades,\n\n1127\n00:49:53.620 --> 00:49:56.660\nknowing that if we're to be seen for who we are,\n\n1128\n00:49:56.660 --> 00:49:58.420\nwe're to see others for who they are too.\n\n1129\n00:49:58.420 --> 00:49:59.460\nI think it's really, I mean,\n\n1130\n00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:02.180\nit's bringing all the human elements of connection to this.\n\n1131\n00:50:02.180 --> 00:50:04.820\nI think it's a lot of what doesn't exist for us\n\n1132\n00:50:04.820 --> 00:50:06.140\nin society now.\n\n1133\n00:50:06.140 --> 00:50:08.980\nWe have other things that are principles of our program,\n\n1134\n00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:13.300\nbut this true brotherhood, pride and everything we do,\n\n1135\n00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:15.980\nearned it every day, player to player accountability,\n\n1136\n00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:17.580\nrecycled positive energy,\n\n1137\n00:50:17.580 --> 00:50:20.140\nthose things are so fundamental\n\n1138\n00:50:20.140 --> 00:50:23.140\nthat it's almost like once you've kind of reached that,\n\n1139\n00:50:23.140 --> 00:50:25.580\nnow, you know, a year from now, two years from now,\n\n1140\n00:50:25.580 --> 00:50:28.780\nif we may backtrack, we may take a few of those.\n\n1141\n00:50:28.780 --> 00:50:31.180\nWe may, you know, I think you always leave yourself room\n\n1142\n00:50:31.180 --> 00:50:32.380\nto adjust.\n\n1143\n00:50:32.380 --> 00:50:35.540\nIt just felt like we were ready for 200 level thinking\n\n1144\n00:50:35.540 --> 00:50:37.580\nrather than 100 level thinking.\n\n1145\n00:50:37.580 --> 00:50:41.100\n- Clark, you talk about something that I really find\n\n1146\n00:50:41.100 --> 00:50:44.140\ninteresting is that you've mentioned membership.\n\n1147\n00:50:44.140 --> 00:50:45.980\nYou've mentioned membership three or four times\n\n1148\n00:50:45.980 --> 00:50:49.380\nin this conversation that you're a member, okay?\n\n1149\n00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:51.140\nWhat does that, what does that mean?\n\n1150\n00:50:51.140 --> 00:50:54.780\nI guess you live by the, you tell me what it means.\n\n1151\n00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:56.260\n(laughing)\n\n1152\n00:50:56.260 --> 00:50:58.900\n- Yeah, so, I mean, look, you know,\n\n1153\n00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:02.180\nwe're all tied together in this.\n\n1154\n00:51:02.180 --> 00:51:05.620\nSo again, relatedness would be pre-strategic.\n\n1155\n00:51:05.620 --> 00:51:10.300\nThis is about creating something that we're proud of,\n\n1156\n00:51:10.300 --> 00:51:12.460\nthat we have co-ownership in.\n\n1157\n00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:15.380\nAnd I'm a part of that, but I'm only a small part.\n\n1158\n00:51:15.380 --> 00:51:17.940\nI mean, this is about players and staff,\n\n1159\n00:51:17.940 --> 00:51:20.820\nchoices and behaviors and actions.\n\n1160\n00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:24.660\nAnd once you awaken to this idea,\n\n1161\n00:51:24.660 --> 00:51:29.340\nthat, you know, what I do impacts the people I love,\n\n1162\n00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:33.460\nit shifts the way you view every decision you make.\n\n1163\n00:51:33.460 --> 00:51:36.700\nMembership in our program is about being a caretaker\n\n1164\n00:51:36.700 --> 00:51:38.540\nof this experience.\n\n1165\n00:51:38.540 --> 00:51:41.860\nIt's about understanding, again, you know,\n\n1166\n00:51:41.860 --> 00:51:45.740\nmy investment, my sacrifice,\n\n1167\n00:51:45.740 --> 00:51:48.740\nmy ability to suffer and respond.\n\n1168\n00:51:48.740 --> 00:51:53.740\nThose are things that I contain within me\n\n1169\n00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:59.220\nthat I focus on being at my very best in those areas.\n\n1170\n00:51:59.220 --> 00:52:01.380\nAnd the expectation is that the people next to me\n\n1171\n00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:02.740\nare doing the same.\n\n1172\n00:52:02.740 --> 00:52:06.420\nIf they're not, we're falling short of that circle\n\n1173\n00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:08.380\nor that membership that represents\n\n1174\n00:52:08.380 --> 00:52:09.420\nwhat Vanderbilt football is.\n\n1175\n00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:12.700\nAnd listen, this is a value, I mean,\n\n1176\n00:52:12.700 --> 00:52:14.940\nthis is a battle that everyone in the country's fighting\n\n1177\n00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:18.020\nright now is how do you build something of value?\n\n1178\n00:52:18.020 --> 00:52:20.660\nAnd I'm not talking about monetary value.\n\n1179\n00:52:20.660 --> 00:52:22.100\nI'm talking about impact.\n\n1180\n00:52:22.100 --> 00:52:26.140\nI'm talking about purpose in a world of transaction.\n\n1181\n00:52:26.140 --> 00:52:29.580\nYou know, it's trying to bring to the surface\n\n1182\n00:52:29.580 --> 00:52:31.620\nthese kind of ancient things, right?\n\n1183\n00:52:31.620 --> 00:52:34.300\nThese rituals, these rites of passage\n\n1184\n00:52:34.300 --> 00:52:36.700\nthat were so formative and celebrated\n\n1185\n00:52:36.700 --> 00:52:40.660\nthat included struggle and sacrifice and pain and loss.\n\n1186\n00:52:40.660 --> 00:52:41.900\nYou know, what is choice?\n\n1187\n00:52:41.900 --> 00:52:42.900\nIt's death.\n\n1188\n00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:45.780\nWhen you choose one thing, you eliminate millions of others.\n\n1189\n00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:50.780\nWell, we believe membership is about channeling your choices.\n\n1190\n00:52:51.140 --> 00:52:53.540\nAgain, in a world where I can be a million things,\n\n1191\n00:52:53.540 --> 00:52:54.860\nI'm choosing to be one.\n\n1192\n00:52:54.860 --> 00:52:56.700\nIf that's an elite football coach,\n\n1193\n00:52:56.700 --> 00:52:58.340\nthat means there are certain specific things\n\n1194\n00:52:58.340 --> 00:53:00.620\nthat I have to have in my routine\n\n1195\n00:53:00.620 --> 00:53:04.940\nto uphold the standards that allow me to be an elite coach.\n\n1196\n00:53:04.940 --> 00:53:07.780\nIf I'm gonna demand our players to sacrifice\n\n1197\n00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:09.700\nand be accountable to their behaviors\n\n1198\n00:53:09.700 --> 00:53:11.740\nin the building and outside the building,\n\n1199\n00:53:11.740 --> 00:53:13.940\nto be the coach of this program,\n\n1200\n00:53:13.940 --> 00:53:16.100\nI have to model that in my own way.\n\n1201\n00:53:16.100 --> 00:53:17.480\nThat doesn't mean I'm pushing sleds,\n\n1202\n00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:18.620\nalthough I'd love to do that.\n\n1203\n00:53:18.620 --> 00:53:20.380\nI just, you know, I'm getting to the point in life\n\n1204\n00:53:20.380 --> 00:53:22.500\nwhere there's a negative return to that.\n\n1205\n00:53:22.500 --> 00:53:24.540\nBut I've got my own habits and routines\n\n1206\n00:53:24.540 --> 00:53:27.540\nthat I'm committed to that give me the opportunity\n\n1207\n00:53:27.540 --> 00:53:30.500\nto have membership in this program as the head coach.\n\n1208\n00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:32.780\nAnd the day that I'm not willing to do that,\n\n1209\n00:53:32.780 --> 00:53:35.540\nI think is the day that there needs to be another leader here.\n\n1210\n00:53:35.540 --> 00:53:38.460\n- You talk a lot about the importance of curiosity.\n\n1211\n00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:41.580\nAnd one of the things that I've heard you say is that\n\n1212\n00:53:41.580 --> 00:53:42.960\nknowledge is limiting.\n\n1213\n00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.180\nExplain what you mean by that.\n\n1214\n00:53:46.180 --> 00:53:50.340\nWhat I know I cease to try to understand.\n\n1215\n00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:54.140\nAnd so there's gotta be this beginner's mindset applied\n\n1216\n00:53:54.140 --> 00:53:55.700\nto everything.\n\n1217\n00:53:55.700 --> 00:53:59.980\nAnd essentially, if I shut off to learning,\n\n1218\n00:53:59.980 --> 00:54:02.180\nI also shut off the valve to growth.\n\n1219\n00:54:02.180 --> 00:54:05.140\nBut what I know I cease to try to understand\n\n1220\n00:54:05.140 --> 00:54:07.620\nwhat I'm curious about, I'll explore for a lifetime.\n\n1221\n00:54:07.620 --> 00:54:09.820\nAnd I think these guys, including me, I mean, look,\n\n1222\n00:54:09.820 --> 00:54:12.060\nmy, you know, I want my career,\n\n1223\n00:54:12.060 --> 00:54:14.500\nI'm still, I still feel like I'm early in on it.\n\n1224\n00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:16.180\nYou know, I'm gonna turn 45 this year.\n\n1225\n00:54:16.180 --> 00:54:18.900\nI think I got a lot of coaching ahead of me.\n\n1226\n00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:22.660\nAnd I certainly, I wanna continue to push the limits\n\n1227\n00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:25.980\nof what's possible there and to try to,\n\n1228\n00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:28.580\nI don't know, just to challenge myself over time.\n\n1229\n00:54:28.580 --> 00:54:29.980\nWhat I'm not gonna do is sit back\n\n1230\n00:54:29.980 --> 00:54:31.140\nand think I've gotta figure it out.\n\n1231\n00:54:31.140 --> 00:54:35.140\nYou know, I just really shudder to the idea of arrival.\n\n1232\n00:54:35.140 --> 00:54:38.380\nI really shudder to the idea of being acknowledged\n\n1233\n00:54:38.380 --> 00:54:41.940\nfor these awards that really are team awards\n\n1234\n00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:43.020\nand team accolades.\n\n1235\n00:54:43.020 --> 00:54:44.660\nYou know, I've got so much growing left to do.\n\n1236\n00:54:44.660 --> 00:54:47.940\nAnd if I'm curious about the craft,\n\n1237\n00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:52.940\nif I'm chasing the love I have for development in my role,\n\n1238\n00:54:52.940 --> 00:54:56.260\nthat is something that for the rest of my coaching career,\n\n1239\n00:54:56.260 --> 00:54:59.140\nI will continue to chase and evolve.\n\n1240\n00:54:59.140 --> 00:55:01.580\nIf I think that I figured it out\n\n1241\n00:55:01.580 --> 00:55:04.500\nand I start to shut off to that curiosity, that learning,\n\n1242\n00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:07.100\nyou know, we stagnate.\n\n1243\n00:55:07.100 --> 00:55:09.660\nAnd when we stagnate, we lose passion, we lose energy.\n\n1244\n00:55:09.660 --> 00:55:14.140\nI mean, the expression of curiosity, like sincere curiosity\n\n1245\n00:55:14.140 --> 00:55:17.100\nis one of the best sources of energy you can be around\n\n1246\n00:55:17.100 --> 00:55:20.300\nbecause it can be nerdy at times, but it's so much fun.\n\n1247\n00:55:20.300 --> 00:55:23.500\nAnd when you can pass along your curiosity,\n\n1248\n00:55:23.500 --> 00:55:25.180\nlike when I pass along to the players,\n\n1249\n00:55:25.180 --> 00:55:28.060\nwhen they hear me talk about football in a way\n\n1250\n00:55:28.060 --> 00:55:29.940\nthat maybe is different from what they've heard in the past,\n\n1251\n00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:32.540\nbut they recognize how I see it\n\n1252\n00:55:32.540 --> 00:55:35.780\nand kind of what it ignites within me.\n\n1253\n00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:37.860\nI think that's a real gift to be able to hand that off.\n\n1254\n00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:40.980\nAnd so that's what I mean when I say that.\n\n1255\n00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:43.620\n- Yeah, I love that, that curiosity is contagious\n\n1256\n00:55:43.620 --> 00:55:45.940\nand you've got me fired up here.\n\n1257\n00:55:45.940 --> 00:55:48.340\nAnd I've had a lot of fun with this conversation, Clark,\n\n1258\n00:55:48.340 --> 00:55:49.500\nand I want to have some more\n\n1259\n00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:52.500\nwith what is my lightning round of questions here.\n\n1260\n00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:54.380\nSo are you ready for this?\n\n1261\n00:55:54.380 --> 00:55:55.220\n- Yes.\n\n1262\n00:55:55.220 --> 00:55:58.540\n- The three words your players would use to describe you.\n\n1263\n00:55:58.540 --> 00:56:01.180\n- Competitive, spirited, caring.\n\n1264\n00:56:01.180 --> 00:56:03.100\n- What's one word your family would use\n\n1265\n00:56:03.100 --> 00:56:05.620\nthat your players probably wouldn't?\n\n1266\n00:56:05.620 --> 00:56:06.700\n- Silly.\n\n1267\n00:56:06.700 --> 00:56:09.620\n- If you could be one person for a day\n\n1268\n00:56:09.620 --> 00:56:11.660\nbeside yourself, who would it be?\n\n1269\n00:56:11.660 --> 00:56:13.340\n- I'd love to be the president for a day\n\n1270\n00:56:13.340 --> 00:56:14.580\njust to feel what that feels like.\n\n1271\n00:56:14.580 --> 00:56:16.740\nHonestly, the intensity of that's got to be unreal.\n\n1272\n00:56:16.740 --> 00:56:18.620\n- Your biggest pet peeve?\n\n1273\n00:56:18.620 --> 00:56:21.020\n- People that say one thing and do another.\n\n1274\n00:56:21.020 --> 00:56:22.500\n- Who would play you in a movie?\n\n1275\n00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.540\n- Probably Brad Pitt or some other\n\n1276\n00:56:24.540 --> 00:56:26.340\nincredibly handsome actor.\n\n1277\n00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:28.540\n- What's a habit that's been instrumental\n\n1278\n00:56:28.540 --> 00:56:30.460\nto the success that you've had?\n\n1279\n00:56:30.460 --> 00:56:31.700\n- A reading and reflection.\n\n1280\n00:56:31.700 --> 00:56:33.220\nI mean, I'm a big reader,\n\n1281\n00:56:33.220 --> 00:56:35.660\nbut even more, I think now that I've evolved,\n\n1282\n00:56:35.660 --> 00:56:39.300\nit's more about writing and kind of dumping out\n\n1283\n00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:40.140\nwhat's inside of me.\n\n1284\n00:56:40.140 --> 00:56:41.500\nI think it's been really healthy for me.\n\n1285\n00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:43.820\n- What's something you've been curious about lately\n\n1286\n00:56:43.820 --> 00:56:46.060\nthat has nothing to do with work?\n\n1287\n00:56:46.060 --> 00:56:49.540\n- Mythology, and maybe it does have someone to do with work,\n\n1288\n00:56:49.540 --> 00:56:51.940\nbut this idea of ancient languages\n\n1289\n00:56:51.940 --> 00:56:55.060\nand kind of the human story that way.\n\n1290\n00:56:55.060 --> 00:56:57.340\n- The one thing you do just for you?\n\n1291\n00:56:57.340 --> 00:57:00.500\n- I'm the worst because I'm hobbyless.\n\n1292\n00:57:00.500 --> 00:57:03.940\nI mean, to say exercise, routines, to read,\n\n1293\n00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:04.980\nthose are the things I do.\n\n1294\n00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:06.900\nI mean, truthfully, the things I do just for me\n\n1295\n00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:09.100\nare when I'm watching shows that my wife\n\n1296\n00:57:09.100 --> 00:57:10.100\nand we're just hanging out, you know,\n\n1297\n00:57:10.100 --> 00:57:11.540\nthat's a lot of fun for me.\n\n1298\n00:57:11.540 --> 00:57:13.180\n- Besides your family and friends,\n\n1299\n00:57:13.180 --> 00:57:15.420\nwhat's your most prized possession?\n\n1300\n00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:17.100\n- Probably this office, you know,\n\n1301\n00:57:17.100 --> 00:57:19.260\nbecause it's, I don't own it,\n\n1302\n00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.060\nbut I, it's like a stewardship\n\n1303\n00:57:21.060 --> 00:57:25.180\nand I'm very proud of, you know, what it represents for me.\n\n1304\n00:57:25.180 --> 00:57:28.260\nSo I would say the office probably.\n\n1305\n00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:29.900\n- If I turned on the radio in your car,\n\n1306\n00:57:29.900 --> 00:57:30.980\nwhat would I hear?\n\n1307\n00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:33.820\n- Any kind of like sad folk music.\n\n1308\n00:57:33.820 --> 00:57:35.980\n- What's something about you a few people would know?\n\n1309\n00:57:35.980 --> 00:57:39.580\n- That I am intense and edgy and, you know,\n\n1310\n00:57:39.580 --> 00:57:41.700\nI don't, I don't present that way all the time\n\n1311\n00:57:41.700 --> 00:57:43.140\nbecause I can't live that way all the time.\n\n1312\n00:57:43.140 --> 00:57:45.940\nMy fire is a slow burn, but it's a hot burn.\n\n1313\n00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:49.140\nAnd I think the people that are closest to me\n\n1314\n00:57:49.140 --> 00:57:51.820\nunderstand that about me and it's part of what makes\n\n1315\n00:57:51.820 --> 00:57:53.820\nme effective when I am.\n\n1316\n00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:56.660\nBut yeah, that is certainly inside of me.\n\n1317\n00:57:56.660 --> 00:57:58.220\n- What's one of your daily rituals,\n\n1318\n00:57:58.220 --> 00:58:00.140\nsomething that you'd never miss?\n\n1319\n00:58:00.140 --> 00:58:03.180\n- Well, I mean, that's gonna be my exercise routine.\n\n1320\n00:58:03.180 --> 00:58:05.340\nSo that's Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday morning.\n\n1321\n00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:07.740\nAnd then I have a fasting routine Monday, Wednesday, Friday.\n\n1322\n00:58:07.740 --> 00:58:11.540\nAnd those are things that become my,\n\n1323\n00:58:11.540 --> 00:58:13.740\nthat's my discipline to make sure that I'm prepared\n\n1324\n00:58:13.740 --> 00:58:15.580\nto do what I need to do for this team.\n\n1325\n00:58:15.580 --> 00:58:17.460\n- Well, thank you, Clark, you're out of the lightning round.\n\n1326\n00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:18.900\nI just have a few more questions\n\n1327\n00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:21.260\nand I'll let you go back to work here.\n\n1328\n00:58:21.260 --> 00:58:24.620\nYou know, you know, one thing that's really hit me here\n\n1329\n00:58:24.620 --> 00:58:27.380\nis just, you seem to just take accountability\n\n1330\n00:58:27.380 --> 00:58:29.100\nfor everything that goes on in the program.\n\n1331\n00:58:29.100 --> 00:58:30.340\nThe good and the bad.\n\n1332\n00:58:30.340 --> 00:58:33.660\n- How do you think about accountability as a leader?\n\n1333\n00:58:33.660 --> 00:58:35.460\n- I feel responsible.\n\n1334\n00:58:35.460 --> 00:58:39.060\nI think part of my growth has been to understand\n\n1335\n00:58:39.060 --> 00:58:41.900\nthe control I have and the control I don't.\n\n1336\n00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:44.620\nAnd sometimes that feeling of responsibility\n\n1337\n00:58:44.620 --> 00:58:47.420\nand can turn into guilt and shame,\n\n1338\n00:58:47.420 --> 00:58:50.660\nwhich aren't good for me in terms of\n\n1339\n00:58:50.660 --> 00:58:52.100\ncarrying those with me too long.\n\n1340\n00:58:52.100 --> 00:58:54.820\nBut I feel very responsible.\n\n1341\n00:58:54.820 --> 00:58:57.660\nYou know, the common thread of our players is their sons.\n\n1342\n00:58:57.660 --> 00:59:01.460\nAnd so, you know, I wanna provide an environment\n\n1343\n00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:03.740\nthat I would be proud of my kids to be a part of.\n\n1344\n00:59:03.740 --> 00:59:05.380\nThat doesn't mean it's perfect for everyone.\n\n1345\n00:59:05.380 --> 00:59:08.500\nSo I don't wanna give this image that somehow we've,\n\n1346\n00:59:08.500 --> 00:59:11.140\nyou know, this is comfortable or convenient\n\n1347\n00:59:11.140 --> 00:59:12.460\nfor every one of our players.\n\n1348\n00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:13.980\nI think that it should be challenging.\n\n1349\n00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:15.380\nIt should be the hardest thing they've ever done,\n\n1350\n00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:17.460\nbut I am responsible for it.\n\n1351\n00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:22.460\nSo that's maybe like kind of top of the chart\n\n1352\n00:59:24.620 --> 00:59:28.620\nfor me in terms of when I put my head on the pillow at night,\n\n1353\n00:59:28.620 --> 00:59:29.860\nthat's the feeling I have.\n\n1354\n00:59:29.860 --> 00:59:32.780\nAnd so that's kind of what starts my engine every day.\n\n1355\n00:59:32.780 --> 00:59:35.540\nNo one that it's my job to unlock potential\n\n1356\n00:59:35.540 --> 00:59:38.060\nwithin each staff member, within each player\n\n1357\n00:59:38.060 --> 00:59:39.060\nin this program.\n\n1358\n00:59:39.060 --> 00:59:41.820\nAnd that's an important job.\n\n1359\n00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:43.940\n- How do you think about leadership at home?\n\n1360\n00:59:43.940 --> 00:59:46.260\n- Very similar, you know.\n\n1361\n00:59:46.260 --> 00:59:48.420\nIt's partnership first with my wife.\n\n1362\n00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:52.180\nIt's, you know, without confrontation,\n\n1363\n00:59:52.180 --> 00:59:54.740\nyou don't have boundaries, like,\n\n1364\n00:59:54.740 --> 00:59:57.220\nso we have to make sure there's not erosion\n\n1365\n00:59:57.220 --> 00:59:59.780\nin those boundaries so that they're clean and clear.\n\n1366\n00:59:59.780 --> 01:00:02.980\nSo it's not a relationship without friction.\n\n1367\n01:00:02.980 --> 01:00:05.940\nI think some of the value that we built into our marriage\n\n1368\n01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:09.060\nhas to do with where we have challenged each other.\n\n1369\n01:00:09.060 --> 01:00:11.100\nI mean, I think that's deepened our partnership\n\n1370\n01:00:11.100 --> 01:00:13.140\nand the love we have for each other.\n\n1371\n01:00:13.140 --> 01:00:17.180\nAnd so I think so much of that is not just about being\n\n1372\n01:00:17.180 --> 01:00:20.780\na husband, it's about building meaningful relationships.\n\n1373\n01:00:20.780 --> 01:00:22.060\nHow can you be honest?\n\n1374\n01:00:22.060 --> 01:00:24.620\nHow can you have confrontation and conflict?\n\n1375\n01:00:24.620 --> 01:00:27.580\nAnd also never lose the respect that you have.\n\n1376\n01:00:27.580 --> 01:00:30.660\nAnd then, you know, parenting is coaching in a lot of ways\n\n1377\n01:00:30.660 --> 01:00:33.300\n'cause you have to first acknowledge the control\n\n1378\n01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:35.740\nthat you don't have, which is terrifying.\n\n1379\n01:00:35.740 --> 01:00:37.740\nAnd then what I try to do at home,\n\n1380\n01:00:37.740 --> 01:00:39.740\nwhich is the same thing I try to do here\n\n1381\n01:00:39.740 --> 01:00:42.340\nis drive a mindset and approach,\n\n1382\n01:00:42.340 --> 01:00:45.540\nunderstand the lens through which that they see the world\n\n1383\n01:00:45.540 --> 01:00:48.500\nand just shape that the best I can.\n\n1384\n01:00:48.500 --> 01:00:51.620\nBut I wanna be really clear, I do not coach my kids.\n\n1385\n01:00:51.620 --> 01:00:55.060\nYou know, they see me coach 115.\n\n1386\n01:00:55.060 --> 01:00:59.460\nThey need to know that I'm dad three going on four.\n\n1387\n01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:03.100\nAnd so we've been really clear to draw those boundaries.\n\n1388\n01:01:03.100 --> 01:01:05.980\nAnd so there are things that they get access to\n\n1389\n01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:06.820\nthat no one else does.\n\n1390\n01:01:06.820 --> 01:01:09.260\nBut on the whole, there's so much carryover\n\n1391\n01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:11.540\nbetween what I do at work and what I do at home.\n\n1392\n01:01:11.540 --> 01:01:15.060\n- You know, if you were thinking about the role\n\n1393\n01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:17.900\nas a football coach, what's one lesson\n\n1394\n01:01:17.900 --> 01:01:21.100\nor leadership learning that any leader\n\n1395\n01:01:21.100 --> 01:01:24.660\nwould really benefit from what you've learned\n\n1396\n01:01:24.660 --> 01:01:26.060\nas a football coach?\n\n1397\n01:01:26.060 --> 01:01:27.820\n- So the goal is to impact.\n\n1398\n01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:31.340\nThe goal is actually not to get people to do what I say.\n\n1399\n01:01:31.340 --> 01:01:34.100\nIt's for them to do it for themselves.\n\n1400\n01:01:34.100 --> 01:01:37.980\nYou know, it's like when things are done without being said\n\n1401\n01:01:37.980 --> 01:01:39.460\nbecause they've internalized the learning,\n\n1402\n01:01:39.460 --> 01:01:41.540\nthey understand the importance of it.\n\n1403\n01:01:41.540 --> 01:01:44.620\nAnd they're doing it because they know how it serves the mission.\n\n1404\n01:01:44.620 --> 01:01:46.020\nI think then you've had to impact.\n\n1405\n01:01:46.020 --> 01:01:49.620\nAnd so, you know, we can't put rules up on the wall\n\n1406\n01:01:49.620 --> 01:01:53.420\nand have slogans and not have relationships.\n\n1407\n01:01:53.420 --> 01:01:57.340\nHow we drive impact is actually getting to know the people\n\n1408\n01:01:57.340 --> 01:02:00.020\nand making sure they know that, you know,\n\n1409\n01:02:00.020 --> 01:02:02.700\nlike again, my staff members, I see them for who they are.\n\n1410\n01:02:02.700 --> 01:02:04.020\nTheir husbands, their fathers,\n\n1411\n01:02:04.020 --> 01:02:05.940\nI honor the sacrifices they make.\n\n1412\n01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:09.460\nYou know, I want to really pull every part of them\n\n1413\n01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:11.780\ninto this and that means that, you know,\n\n1414\n01:02:11.780 --> 01:02:13.100\nI've got to be willing to see them\n\n1415\n01:02:13.100 --> 01:02:14.820\nas more than just people that yell and scream\n\n1416\n01:02:14.820 --> 01:02:15.660\nand blow the whistle.\n\n1417\n01:02:15.660 --> 01:02:17.260\nI think we go way beyond that here.\n\n1418\n01:02:17.260 --> 01:02:18.860\nAnd same for the players, their sons,\n\n1419\n01:02:18.860 --> 01:02:21.340\ntheir brothers, some of them are parents.\n\n1420\n01:02:21.340 --> 01:02:25.300\nHow do I celebrate that with them and sharing that with them?\n\n1421\n01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:28.860\nAnd ultimately, when you have vision\n\n1422\n01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:30.900\nand you have impact, you can have alignment.\n\n1423\n01:02:30.900 --> 01:02:34.500\nAnd if these programs that aren't aligned,\n\n1424\n01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:36.260\nyou know, are aligned around the wrong things,\n\n1425\n01:02:36.260 --> 01:02:39.260\nI mean, we see that every weekend on Saturdays\n\n1426\n01:02:39.260 --> 01:02:40.260\nand the way they perform.\n\n1427\n01:02:40.260 --> 01:02:42.660\nSo again, to think back and say,\n\n1428\n01:02:42.660 --> 01:02:43.980\nthis is what I want to be a part of,\n\n1429\n01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:46.020\nI like to consume sports too.\n\n1430\n01:02:46.020 --> 01:02:47.820\nLike I, I'm a sports fan.\n\n1431\n01:02:47.820 --> 01:02:50.020\nAnd so if I'm watching a hockey game,\n\n1432\n01:02:50.020 --> 01:02:52.140\nI want to see a team that's getting over the boards\n\n1433\n01:02:52.140 --> 01:02:54.660\nand trying to pin the opponent in the forecheck\n\n1434\n01:02:54.660 --> 01:02:57.020\nthat's playing aggressively and making the tough decisions\n\n1435\n01:02:57.020 --> 01:02:59.420\nand eating the puck on defense, all that kind of stuff, you know?\n\n1436\n01:02:59.420 --> 01:03:02.700\nSo I want that to be true of the team I coached too.\n\n1437\n01:03:02.700 --> 01:03:04.100\nI want when people watch us play,\n\n1438\n01:03:04.100 --> 01:03:07.180\nthey're inspired by what they see independent of any result.\n\n1439\n01:03:07.180 --> 01:03:10.300\n- And Clark, I have to tell you, you're an inspiring leader.\n\n1440\n01:03:10.300 --> 01:03:13.620\nYou know, you have your own authenticity,\n\n1441\n01:03:13.620 --> 01:03:17.260\nyour own style, but the fact that you care so much\n\n1442\n01:03:17.260 --> 01:03:20.420\nabout what you do and who you do it for is so obvious.\n\n1443\n01:03:20.420 --> 01:03:23.380\nAnd I can see why you have so much talent\n\n1444\n01:03:23.380 --> 01:03:26.420\nwanting to come to Vanderbilt and I can see why you and your team\n\n1445\n01:03:26.420 --> 01:03:29.620\nhave turned this program around together.\n\n1446\n01:03:29.620 --> 01:03:31.420\n- But David, first of all, that is quite the honor.\n\n1447\n01:03:31.420 --> 01:03:34.060\nAnd I want to, on the note of talent coming to Vanderbilt,\n\n1448\n01:03:34.060 --> 01:03:36.300\nlet's go back to the conversation around the T-shirt\n\n1449\n01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:40.260\nbecause you're the next one to come on to the Vanderbilt family.\n\n1450\n01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:43.340\nNext time, look, Eli may be upset with you,\n\n1451\n01:03:43.340 --> 01:03:46.300\nbut we'll get you in that V and it'll feel really good to you.\n\n1452\n01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:50.740\nSo, hey, listen, I'm so deep the honor to spend time with you.\n\n1453\n01:03:50.740 --> 01:03:54.260\nAnd again, this has been such a learning experience for me.\n\n1454\n01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:56.900\nAnd so anyone that could draw from kind of what I've been through here,\n\n1455\n01:03:56.900 --> 01:03:58.180\nwhat I do know is we're not done.\n\n1456\n01:03:58.180 --> 01:04:00.580\nAnd so there's going to be pain and challenge ahead.\n\n1457\n01:04:00.580 --> 01:04:04.140\nI got to keep learning, growing and trying to get better at my job.\n\n1458\n01:04:04.140 --> 01:04:04.940\n- Well, I love that.\n\n1459\n01:04:04.940 --> 01:04:08.060\nAnd you know, that curiosity and that learning mentality\n\n1460\n01:04:08.060 --> 01:04:09.940\nis going to keep you on top.\n\n1461\n01:04:09.940 --> 01:04:12.540\nAnd I agree with you, when you lose that,\n\n1462\n01:04:12.540 --> 01:04:14.340\nthere needs to be somebody else in the job.\n\n1463\n01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:15.180\n- That's right.\n\n1464\n01:04:15.180 --> 01:04:16.020\n- You've got it right.\n\n1465\n01:04:16.020 --> 01:04:17.180\nSo thank you very much.\n\n1466\n01:04:17.180 --> 01:04:18.020\nI appreciate you.\n\n1467\n01:04:18.020 --> 01:04:18.860\n- Thank you.\n\n1468\n01:04:18.860 --> 01:04:28.860\n- David, as a Vanderbilt alum,\n\n1469\n01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:31.580\nI just, I really need you to know how much\n\n1470\n01:04:31.580 --> 01:04:36.380\nI appreciated that conversation with you and Clark.\n\n1471\n01:04:36.380 --> 01:04:38.300\n- Well, he's a great guy.\n\n1472\n01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:39.820\nHe's a great coach, great leader.\n\n1473\n01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:43.300\nI mean, you got to be proud to have him lead in your team.\n\n1474\n01:04:43.300 --> 01:04:46.020\nAnd they're, you had a 10 game, 10 winning season\n\n1475\n01:04:46.020 --> 01:04:47.260\nand he's going to have more.\n\n1476\n01:04:47.260 --> 01:04:49.500\nAnd obviously he wants a national championship.\n\n1477\n01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:51.580\n- Yep, he said the mission is to win.\n\n1478\n01:04:51.580 --> 01:04:55.180\nAnd it's so obvious to me hearing this conversation,\n\n1479\n01:04:55.180 --> 01:04:59.260\nwhy he has been able to turn around the program at Vanderbilt\n\n1480\n01:04:59.260 --> 01:05:02.700\nand allowed for the success that not only VADI football,\n\n1481\n01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:05.660\nbut the whole kind of like conversation\n\n1482\n01:05:05.660 --> 01:05:06.820\naround Vanderbilt sports.\n\n1483\n01:05:06.820 --> 01:05:10.820\nIt's just, it's completely changed over the last couple of years.\n\n1484\n01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:12.700\nAnd I think he's had a ton to do with that.\n\n1485\n01:05:12.700 --> 01:05:14.500\n- Yeah, I remember going to, you know,\n\n1486\n01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:17.380\nI remember going to VADI games with my daughter\n\n1487\n01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:19.700\nwho went to Vanderbilt and the stadium\n\n1488\n01:05:19.700 --> 01:05:22.020\nwould be about the fourth of the way full.\n\n1489\n01:05:22.020 --> 01:05:24.180\nI mean, now it's packed, you know.\n\n1490\n01:05:24.180 --> 01:05:24.980\nSo it's, it's great to see.\n\n1491\n01:05:24.980 --> 01:05:25.900\n- It's a hard ticket.\n\n1492\n01:05:25.900 --> 01:05:28.020\n- Yeah, that's great to see.\n\n1493\n01:05:28.020 --> 01:05:30.940\n- David, I'm excited to break down some of the key themes\n\n1494\n01:05:30.940 --> 01:05:33.860\nthat I pulled from their conversation with Clark.\n\n1495\n01:05:33.860 --> 01:05:37.140\nAnd the first one is the way that he went about\n\n1496\n01:05:37.140 --> 01:05:38.540\nkind of turning the program around.\n\n1497\n01:05:38.540 --> 01:05:41.260\nHe described it as a sick culture\n\n1498\n01:05:41.260 --> 01:05:42.620\nwhen he took over the program.\n\n1499\n01:05:42.620 --> 01:05:47.180\nAnd he had this process of diagnosing that sick culture\n\n1500\n01:05:47.180 --> 01:05:48.900\nas the first piece of, you know,\n\n1501\n01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:52.700\nreally trying to change the game at Vanderbilt.\n\n1502\n01:05:52.700 --> 01:05:55.060\nWhat stood out to you about the way that he went\n\n1503\n01:05:55.060 --> 01:05:57.140\nabout diagnosing that sick culture\n\n1504\n01:05:57.140 --> 01:05:59.020\nand how he made those changes?\n\n1505\n01:05:59.020 --> 01:06:00.900\n- What really hit me was how he realized\n\n1506\n01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:02.180\nthere was no energy.\n\n1507\n01:06:02.180 --> 01:06:04.100\nMemory talked about the first team meeting.\n\n1508\n01:06:04.100 --> 01:06:05.860\nYou could just tell all the slumping\n\n1509\n01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:09.220\nand the, just the lack of, you know, energy.\n\n1510\n01:06:09.220 --> 01:06:10.580\nThat was one of the things.\n\n1511\n01:06:10.580 --> 01:06:13.020\nThe thing that really struck me and was,\n\n1512\n01:06:13.020 --> 01:06:15.180\nhas been true in every one of the experiences I've had\n\n1513\n01:06:15.180 --> 01:06:17.740\nwhen I've gone into a turnaround situation\n\n1514\n01:06:17.740 --> 01:06:20.540\nis there's a victimitis,\n\n1515\n01:06:20.540 --> 01:06:22.380\nsevere case and victimitis going on\n\n1516\n01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:24.100\nwhere everybody's blaming everybody else,\n\n1517\n01:06:24.100 --> 01:06:27.020\nbut nobody's taking accountability for themselves.\n\n1518\n01:06:27.020 --> 01:06:30.060\nAnd, you know, so when you have people pointing fingers\n\n1519\n01:06:30.060 --> 01:06:34.100\nthis way and that way, you know, you have a real problem\n\n1520\n01:06:34.100 --> 01:06:34.940\ngoing on.\n\n1521\n01:06:34.940 --> 01:06:38.340\nSo, you know, and I think that winning cultures,\n\n1522\n01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:39.380\npeople are accountable.\n\n1523\n01:06:39.380 --> 01:06:41.220\nThey know what's expected of them.\n\n1524\n01:06:41.220 --> 01:06:43.020\nThey believe in it.\n\n1525\n01:06:43.020 --> 01:06:46.780\nAnd like he said, it's not his culture.\n\n1526\n01:06:46.780 --> 01:06:47.860\nIt's our culture.\n\n1527\n01:06:47.860 --> 01:06:51.540\nEverybody believes and everybody buys into the mission\n\n1528\n01:06:51.540 --> 01:06:56.220\nand everybody really wants to reinforce the behaviors\n\n1529\n01:06:56.220 --> 01:06:59.900\nthat he identified that's gonna drive their success.\n\n1530\n01:06:59.900 --> 01:07:01.660\n- Was there a time in your career at Young Brands\n\n1531\n01:07:01.660 --> 01:07:05.100\nwhere you were tasked with diagnosing a sick culture\n\n1532\n01:07:05.100 --> 01:07:06.500\nand how'd you go about it?\n\n1533\n01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:07.820\n- Well, I don't know that I don't know\n\n1534\n01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:09.860\nif I diagnosed it, it just happened.\n\n1535\n01:07:09.860 --> 01:07:12.780\nYou know, I walked into KFC.\n\n1536\n01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:14.540\nMy first job as division president,\n\n1537\n01:07:14.540 --> 01:07:17.180\njust like his first job as a head coach.\n\n1538\n01:07:17.180 --> 01:07:20.620\nAnd I saw everybody blaming everybody and their brother,\n\n1539\n01:07:20.620 --> 01:07:23.020\neverybody talking about how great things used to be\n\n1540\n01:07:23.020 --> 01:07:24.060\nwhen the colonel was here.\n\n1541\n01:07:24.060 --> 01:07:26.420\nWell, the colonel been dead for 25 years.\n\n1542\n01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:29.020\nNobody was creating new memories.\n\n1543\n01:07:29.020 --> 01:07:30.980\nThe franchisees hated the company.\n\n1544\n01:07:30.980 --> 01:07:33.420\nThe company hated the franchisees.\n\n1545\n01:07:33.420 --> 01:07:34.820\nThere was no teamwork.\n\n1546\n01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:37.780\nThere was just this whole sense of that\n\n1547\n01:07:37.780 --> 01:07:39.780\nwe're the ugly ducklings of PepsiCo.\n\n1548\n01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:42.300\nWe've never made plan and we're never gonna win around here.\n\n1549\n01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:45.820\nAnd what I tried to do is basically what I think Clark did\n\n1550\n01:07:45.820 --> 01:07:49.740\nis come in with a belief that we would win together.\n\n1551\n01:07:49.740 --> 01:07:51.100\nThat was why we were here.\n\n1552\n01:07:51.100 --> 01:07:52.380\nThat's why we got paid.\n\n1553\n01:07:52.380 --> 01:07:53.500\nThis is what we can do.\n\n1554\n01:07:53.500 --> 01:07:54.700\nWe have a great brand.\n\n1555\n01:07:54.700 --> 01:07:57.580\nWe just gotta do the right things and the right things will happen.\n\n1556\n01:07:57.580 --> 01:08:01.900\nAnd it happened and it was the key to my career\n\n1557\n01:08:01.900 --> 01:08:03.980\nand the success and the reason why I ended up\n\n1558\n01:08:03.980 --> 01:08:06.700\nbecoming the CEO of young brands.\n\n1559\n01:08:06.700 --> 01:08:08.940\nI love that you brought up the victimitis thing\n\n1560\n01:08:08.940 --> 01:08:11.860\nbecause the way that Clark kind of attacked that part\n\n1561\n01:08:11.860 --> 01:08:15.100\nof the sickness, if you will, felt so practical to me.\n\n1562\n01:08:15.100 --> 01:08:19.580\nI mean, he talks about how he would keep people accountable\n\n1563\n01:08:19.580 --> 01:08:22.380\nfor the way that they talked about themselves\n\n1564\n01:08:22.380 --> 01:08:24.860\nand the way that other people perceived them\n\n1565\n01:08:24.860 --> 01:08:28.900\nand made a really clear, set really clear expectations\n\n1566\n01:08:28.900 --> 01:08:31.060\naround how they talk about being part\n\n1567\n01:08:31.060 --> 01:08:33.300\nof a vulnerable football program\n\n1568\n01:08:33.300 --> 01:08:36.300\nbecause historically it's been kind of sad.\n\n1569\n01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:38.300\nAnd he really changed the mindset of,\n\n1570\n01:08:38.300 --> 01:08:41.620\ninstead of this happening to me,\n\n1571\n01:08:41.620 --> 01:08:44.780\nI'm going to take responsibility for how others perceive me\n\n1572\n01:08:44.780 --> 01:08:47.460\nand how others perceive this program.\n\n1573\n01:08:47.460 --> 01:08:49.180\nAnd he did that so practically\n\n1574\n01:08:49.180 --> 01:08:51.820\nand that really stood out to me too.\n\n1575\n01:08:51.820 --> 01:08:56.140\nAnd he fully admitted that he underestimated the task at hand.\n\n1576\n01:08:56.140 --> 01:08:58.900\nYou know, he thought he could come in there.\n\n1577\n01:08:58.900 --> 01:09:00.420\nHe thought he knew what to do.\n\n1578\n01:09:00.420 --> 01:09:01.780\nAnd he had to change as a leader.\n\n1579\n01:09:01.780 --> 01:09:04.060\nHe had to not just be the guy.\n\n1580\n01:09:04.060 --> 01:09:07.420\nHe had to get everybody else to buy into the mission\n\n1581\n01:09:07.420 --> 01:09:09.140\nand the behaviors.\n\n1582\n01:09:09.140 --> 01:09:13.220\nAnd then he got to hold people for accountable\n\n1583\n01:09:13.220 --> 01:09:16.700\nfor being aligned to really execute on those dimensions.\n\n1584\n01:09:16.700 --> 01:09:21.620\nSo for him, he realizes that his role is important,\n\n1585\n01:09:21.620 --> 01:09:23.580\nbut he knew that he couldn't do it by himself.\n\n1586\n01:09:23.580 --> 01:09:26.140\nAnd, you know, it's like I always say,\n\n1587\n01:09:26.140 --> 01:09:28.420\nyou know, nothing big ever happens by yourself.\n\n1588\n01:09:28.420 --> 01:09:30.340\nYou have to take people with you.\n\n1589\n01:09:30.340 --> 01:09:32.580\nAnd he did with his team, his coaches,\n\n1590\n01:09:32.580 --> 01:09:35.620\nand he had a great, has a great relationship\n\n1591\n01:09:35.620 --> 01:09:36.820\nwith his athletic director\n\n1592\n01:09:36.820 --> 01:09:40.060\nand all of that leads to a winning formula.\n\n1593\n01:09:40.060 --> 01:09:42.540\n- You talk with Clark about how important it is\n\n1594\n01:09:42.540 --> 01:09:43.780\nto shock the system.\n\n1595\n01:09:43.780 --> 01:09:45.580\nWhen you walk into a culture that's sick\n\n1596\n01:09:45.580 --> 01:09:48.620\nand you have a plan to really turn things around.\n\n1597\n01:09:48.620 --> 01:09:50.580\nWhat does it mean to shock the system?\n\n1598\n01:09:50.580 --> 01:09:54.100\nAnd then if people are in need of shocking a system,\n\n1599\n01:09:54.100 --> 01:09:55.180\nwhat should they do?\n\n1600\n01:09:55.180 --> 01:09:57.180\n- Yeah, well, I think you have to understand\n\n1601\n01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:58.380\nwhat's going on in the company\n\n1602\n01:09:58.380 --> 01:10:00.620\nthat's keeping you from success.\n\n1603\n01:10:00.620 --> 01:10:03.340\nFor example, when I became president of KFC,\n\n1604\n01:10:03.340 --> 01:10:05.340\nthe franchisees hated the company people.\n\n1605\n01:10:05.340 --> 01:10:07.020\nThe company people hated the franchisees.\n\n1606\n01:10:07.020 --> 01:10:08.060\nThey didn't work together.\n\n1607\n01:10:08.060 --> 01:10:10.660\nThe franchisees were allowed in the building.\n\n1608\n01:10:10.660 --> 01:10:14.300\nYou know, people didn't want me to talk to the franchisees\n\n1609\n01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:18.180\nwhen they were having a meeting in Louisville\n\n1610\n01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:22.060\nbecause I was too new, I didn't know enough about the business.\n\n1611\n01:10:22.060 --> 01:10:24.540\nSo I just shocked the system and said, look,\n\n1612\n01:10:24.540 --> 01:10:25.380\nI want you to know something.\n\n1613\n01:10:25.380 --> 01:10:27.340\nI love franchisees.\n\n1614\n01:10:27.340 --> 01:10:29.460\nAnd if you want to be on this team,\n\n1615\n01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:32.260\nyou're going to need to love franchisees and work with them.\n\n1616\n01:10:32.260 --> 01:10:34.700\nAnd I want to talk to franchisees.\n\n1617\n01:10:34.700 --> 01:10:35.940\nI'm going to this meeting\n\n1618\n01:10:35.940 --> 01:10:37.180\nand I'm going to stand up and tell them\n\n1619\n01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:38.180\nI don't know the business,\n\n1620\n01:10:38.180 --> 01:10:39.820\nbut they're going to help me learn it.\n\n1621\n01:10:39.820 --> 01:10:41.740\nBut I really shocked the system\n\n1622\n01:10:41.740 --> 01:10:44.820\nby basically saying the acrimonious situation\n\n1623\n01:10:44.820 --> 01:10:47.260\nwe'd have with our franchisees was going to end\n\n1624\n01:10:47.260 --> 01:10:49.300\nbecause it had to, because what we've been doing\n\n1625\n01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:52.540\nit led to losing and we had to start winning.\n\n1626\n01:10:52.540 --> 01:10:53.860\nAnd that's how we were going to win.\n\n1627\n01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:54.900\nWe were going to win together.\n\n1628\n01:10:54.900 --> 01:10:56.460\nSo, you know, I think, you know,\n\n1629\n01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:57.740\nit's important to shock the system.\n\n1630\n01:10:57.740 --> 01:10:59.220\nI remember talking to Bob Grossman,\n\n1631\n01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:03.140\nwho's the CEO of NYU and just recently retired,\n\n1632\n01:11:03.140 --> 01:11:06.980\nbut the elevator at NYU hospital was slow.\n\n1633\n01:11:06.980 --> 01:11:07.820\nIt was terrible.\n\n1634\n01:11:07.820 --> 01:11:10.380\nAnd people would wade around, get on the elevator,\n\n1635\n01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:11.980\npeople bished about it every day.\n\n1636\n01:11:11.980 --> 01:11:14.020\nThe first thing he did as CEO\n\n1637\n01:11:14.020 --> 01:11:16.940\nto basically say there's a new sheriff and set down\n\n1638\n01:11:16.940 --> 01:11:18.980\nwas he fixed the elevator.\n\n1639\n01:11:18.980 --> 01:11:20.980\nBut that says that things are going to be different\n\n1640\n01:11:20.980 --> 01:11:23.140\naround there and then he continued to do different things.\n\n1641\n01:11:23.140 --> 01:11:25.620\nHe, I think he fired more than half of his team\n\n1642\n01:11:25.620 --> 01:11:28.580\nbecause they did not buy into his mission.\n\n1643\n01:11:28.580 --> 01:11:30.900\nBut he shocked the system by making change\n\n1644\n01:11:30.900 --> 01:11:32.420\nthat typically wouldn't happen\n\n1645\n01:11:32.420 --> 01:11:34.860\nin a bureaucratic hospital system.\n\n1646\n01:11:34.860 --> 01:11:38.820\nSo, you know, I think what Clark did\n\n1647\n01:11:38.820 --> 01:11:41.060\nand he talked about, you know,\n\n1648\n01:11:41.060 --> 01:11:43.620\ntaking the team out that night in the stadium\n\n1649\n01:11:43.620 --> 01:11:45.780\nwhere they burned all the old behaviors\n\n1650\n01:11:45.780 --> 01:11:48.780\nand then created the five new behaviors\n\n1651\n01:11:48.780 --> 01:11:51.660\nthat they were going to do to really turn the program around.\n\n1652\n01:11:51.660 --> 01:11:54.300\nAnd it became their vision, not his vision.\n\n1653\n01:11:54.300 --> 01:11:56.500\nAnd I think that was very, very powerful.\n\n1654\n01:11:56.500 --> 01:11:58.620\nBut he definitely shocked the system.\n\n1655\n01:11:58.620 --> 01:12:00.460\n- Another thing you talked about in this conversation\n\n1656\n01:12:00.460 --> 01:12:01.940\nthat's really resonating with me\n\n1657\n01:12:01.940 --> 01:12:05.220\nis this idea that belief is a practice.\n\n1658\n01:12:05.220 --> 01:12:07.820\nWhy don't you take away from that part of the conversation?\n\n1659\n01:12:07.820 --> 01:12:12.180\n- Don't you love the Ted Lasso series\n\n1660\n01:12:12.180 --> 01:12:16.060\nand that little sign that he had up above the door,\n\n1661\n01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:19.980\nwhich is, yeah, which was believed.\n\n1662\n01:12:19.980 --> 01:12:23.060\nHe knows that without belief, you have nothing.\n\n1663\n01:12:23.060 --> 01:12:26.060\nYou know, it's like Freud said, you know,\n\n1664\n01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:29.180\nyou become what you think you are, you know,\n\n1665\n01:12:29.180 --> 01:12:33.540\nattitudinally you have to have positive thoughts\n\n1666\n01:12:33.540 --> 01:12:36.300\nof what you can be or it's never going to happen.\n\n1667\n01:12:36.300 --> 01:12:39.300\nAnd you have to practice that.\n\n1668\n01:12:39.300 --> 01:12:42.860\nYou have to make sure that you, you know,\n\n1669\n01:12:42.860 --> 01:12:46.580\nrepresent a positive belief every single day.\n\n1670\n01:12:46.580 --> 01:12:48.820\nYou have to catch yourself, you know,\n\n1671\n01:12:48.820 --> 01:12:52.620\nwhen you're not being, you know, a believer.\n\n1672\n01:12:52.620 --> 01:12:56.700\nAnd, you know, I think being aware of the importance\n\n1673\n01:12:56.700 --> 01:13:00.420\nof belief and then making sure that everything you do\n\n1674\n01:13:00.420 --> 01:13:02.140\nreinforces that importance,\n\n1675\n01:13:02.140 --> 01:13:03.500\nwhat he's really talking about.\n\n1676\n01:13:03.500 --> 01:13:06.180\nAnd I think if you really boil it down for Clark,\n\n1677\n01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:09.180\nI'm in his belief as if you continue to do the right thing.\n\n1678\n01:13:09.180 --> 01:13:10.940\nThe right things are going to happen\n\n1679\n01:13:10.940 --> 01:13:12.820\nand we're going to get it done around here.\n\n1680\n01:13:12.820 --> 01:13:16.820\nAnd, you know, he went from two and 10 to five and seven.\n\n1681\n01:13:16.820 --> 01:13:18.860\nAnd he talked about it being some, you know,\n\n1682\n01:13:18.860 --> 01:13:22.540\nsort of a fake, fake progress back to two and 10.\n\n1683\n01:13:22.540 --> 01:13:26.540\nAnd then he evolved as a leader to get more and more people\n\n1684\n01:13:26.540 --> 01:13:27.660\nto buy into his vision.\n\n1685\n01:13:27.660 --> 01:13:29.220\nAnd here they are now.\n\n1686\n01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:32.740\nHe has a 10 game season and 10 winning game season.\n\n1687\n01:13:32.740 --> 01:13:35.820\nAnd by the way, it doesn't like being, you know,\n\n1688\n01:13:35.820 --> 01:13:37.940\ntouted as the SEC Coach of the Year\n\n1689\n01:13:37.940 --> 01:13:41.380\nbecause that's a team thing, not his thing.\n\n1690\n01:13:41.380 --> 01:13:45.340\nBut the fact of the matter is that's a hell of accomplishment.\n\n1691\n01:13:45.340 --> 01:13:48.580\nAnd like I mentioned to him in the podcast,\n\n1692\n01:13:48.580 --> 01:13:49.700\nyou know, show me a good leader.\n\n1693\n01:13:49.700 --> 01:13:51.300\nI'll show you a good business.\n\n1694\n01:13:51.300 --> 01:13:53.580\nYou know, you might get lucky one year,\n\n1695\n01:13:53.580 --> 01:13:56.300\nbut you're never going to get lucky on a sustainable basis\n\n1696\n01:13:56.300 --> 01:13:57.940\nif you don't have great leadership.\n\n1697\n01:13:57.940 --> 01:14:00.380\nAnd I guarantee you, I'm going to bet\n\n1698\n01:14:00.380 --> 01:14:02.260\nthat Vanderbilt's going to have a winning team\n\n1699\n01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:03.580\nfor a long time.\n\n1700\n01:14:03.580 --> 01:14:04.420\n- I love it.\n\n1701\n01:14:04.420 --> 01:14:06.260\nYou can just tell like he talks about in the episode,\n\n1702\n01:14:06.260 --> 01:14:07.700\nthe belief is a practice.\n\n1703\n01:14:07.700 --> 01:14:08.540\nIt's not a feeling.\n\n1704\n01:14:08.540 --> 01:14:09.500\nIt's not an emotion.\n\n1705\n01:14:09.500 --> 01:14:10.340\nIt's not a dream.\n\n1706\n01:14:10.340 --> 01:14:11.900\nIt is literally what you're doing.\n\n1707\n01:14:11.900 --> 01:14:15.180\nAnd I know we only talked to him for a little bit over an hour,\n\n1708\n01:14:15.180 --> 01:14:18.500\nbut it is so evident that that statement\n\n1709\n01:14:18.500 --> 01:14:21.500\nis something that he lives out every single day.\n\n1710\n01:14:21.500 --> 01:14:24.980\nAnd like you said, I think that they're going to continue\n\n1711\n01:14:24.980 --> 01:14:28.140\nto have great success because that is so ingrained.\n\n1712\n01:14:28.140 --> 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